991 GT3 - Dealer Sales Pitch
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If GT3 Ring Time is only 7:34 using R Compound Tires, while the 991S on street tires is 7:37, that would indicate base car is very little, if any, faster than a 991C2S.
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I like the Cayman..and the good news is probably that from this success a lot of Cayman owners could maybe benefit in the future..
Lets see..
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Was there something posted, or that you've seen, that suggested the GT3 was on R comp tires and the Carrera wasn't? Any other details we should guess at? The fact that a 991 S ran 7:37.9 with a narrower chassis and 50 less HP should make people question how valid or representative of the car's performance that 7:34 is in the first place.
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Was there something posted, or that you've seen, that suggested the GT3 was on R comp tires and the Carrera wasn't? Any other details we should guess at? The fact that a 991 S ran 7:37.9 with a narrower chassis and 50 less HP should make people question how valid or representative of the car's performance that 7:34 is in the first place.
I would though wonder if 20" cl dubs are now standard, that they now have to run street tires and not the 19" cups they had stock on the 997 GT3's.
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That's a good question, jumper. There are lots of things we don't know yet, and even the things we think we know won't be verifiable until the car is out there.
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"I would though wonder if 20" cl dubs are now standard, that they now have to run street tires and not the 19" cups they had stock on the 997 GT3's."
Note that the new 991 GT3 Cup Cars have gone back to 18" wheels. Let's hope the new GT-3 does the same- far wider range and lower prices on wheels and tires. I also abhor the CL wheels. I had those on
my 993 TT GT2 Race car and the axle broke during a PCA Race at Road Atlanta and cost me a new body
(fortunately for the car - not me) HATE the CL - You are effectively pulling the axle apart longitudinally
and applying the Torque of all 5 Bolts (in compression) to do it.
Note that the new 991 GT3 Cup Cars have gone back to 18" wheels. Let's hope the new GT-3 does the same- far wider range and lower prices on wheels and tires. I also abhor the CL wheels. I had those on
my 993 TT GT2 Race car and the axle broke during a PCA Race at Road Atlanta and cost me a new body
(fortunately for the car - not me) HATE the CL - You are effectively pulling the axle apart longitudinally
and applying the Torque of all 5 Bolts (in compression) to do it.
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Those disputing some of the claims must keep in mind that they are coming from P dealers according to Crex and others whom are trying to sell the next crop of car. Where are they getting their info from? Model summary info given to them by Porsche usually so there is a level of credibility to this info despite the fact we don't have all the details...
And if you ask me, if a 450hp wider bodied, lightened, pdk equipped Gt3 can't match the official lap time of the 997.2RS (7.33) which for all intents and purposes is an equal in spec and still in use of the 'ancient' manual gearbox, then that is poor form.... As I stated earlier, I hope these specs are inaccurate for Porsche's sake...
And if you ask me, if a 450hp wider bodied, lightened, pdk equipped Gt3 can't match the official lap time of the 997.2RS (7.33) which for all intents and purposes is an equal in spec and still in use of the 'ancient' manual gearbox, then that is poor form.... As I stated earlier, I hope these specs are inaccurate for Porsche's sake...
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Owners here got calls from the local dealer today on the GT3. First hand info from the sales guys:
I don't like the sound of an "integrated" sump, wet or dry, but let's hope this will be a worthy variation of the 9A1...
- 3.8L Integrated Dry Sump
- 450bhp
- 0-100kmh in 3.5s
- PDK only
- Ring lap time of 7:34
- Rear Steering [!]
- "Different" Side Mirrors
- Public release at the Geneva Show, along with official price list
- First cars will be MY14 with deliveries in Europe by year end
- Taking deposits NOW
I don't like the sound of an "integrated" sump, wet or dry, but let's hope this will be a worthy variation of the 9A1...
Those disputing some of the claims must keep in mind that they are coming from P dealers according to Crex and others whom are trying to sell the next crop of car. Where are they getting their info from? Model summary info given to them by Porsche usually so there is a level of credibility to this info despite the fact we don't have all the details...
And if you ask me, if a 450hp wider bodied, lightened, pdk equipped Gt3 can't match the official lap time of the 997.2RS (7.33) which for all intents and purposes is an equal in spec and still in use of the 'ancient' manual gearbox, then that is poor form.... As I stated earlier, I hope these specs are inaccurate for Porsche's sake...
And if you ask me, if a 450hp wider bodied, lightened, pdk equipped Gt3 can't match the official lap time of the 997.2RS (7.33) which for all intents and purposes is an equal in spec and still in use of the 'ancient' manual gearbox, then that is poor form.... As I stated earlier, I hope these specs are inaccurate for Porsche's sake...
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LOL! I think others are right, this is probably an option not standard. And like Nick said I don't necessarily see this as a plus with all the weight and work being done by those rears on track.
Exactly my sentiments. The 9A1 has proven its durability at Daytona GX, and time will tell if they can deliver the performance that's competitive with the GT field the same way the old 4.0-stroked engine was until the late naughties. Until then, this "podium sweep" with Caymans is more show than tell...
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thats exactly down to the point..while I congratulate the team for having won this new category..in the end - and unfortuntely - its not what we - and Porsche wants. Porsche needs to be competitve with ferrari, aston etc..winning this "baby class"..doesnt help much.
I like the Cayman..and the good news is probably that from this success a lot of Cayman owners could maybe benefit in the future..
Lets see..
I like the Cayman..and the good news is probably that from this success a lot of Cayman owners could maybe benefit in the future..
Lets see..