Originally Posted by dtmarsh

This means you're whining about whining.

Originally Posted by roberga

http://diamondkt.blogspot.com/2006/0...-lets-say.html


"Indeed. When they first started to use this method to steal cars the insurance companies refused to pay because they believed that the RFID system was not hackable — they basically accused the owners of arranging the theft of their own cars," Kam said.

Originally Posted by WalkerInTN

So far, the only company to make a vehicle totaly secure is NASA. Outside of the lunar rover, any car can be stolen.

Originally Posted by roberga

http://diamondkt.blogspot.com/2006/0...-lets-say.html

How To Steal an Anti Theft Car

The one below talks about how they do it and how police "use to" accuse owners because cars could not be
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pb...Z0504High-Tech Banditry
In place of a tow truck Kam uses a variety of high-tech tools like his netbook computer and a radio frequency scanner that pretty much give him unrestricted access to the car he is after.

Modern cars — and classic cars that are very valuable — are equipped with sophisticated alarms as well as radio-frequency identification kill systems that disable the fuel pump or the ignition system unless the correct key is sent to the onboard computer.

Equipped with a built-in RFID chip, the key talks to the car to negotiate a process that authorizes the engine to start. Using 40-bit encryption on newer models, and 32-bit encryption on older cars, the key literally sends a secret code to the hardware installed in the vehicle to inform it that it has permission to function. No code, no go. It is supposed to be as simple as that — but if it were that simple, there would be no hackers or car thieves, right?

When I interviewed him to prepare for this column, he asked me if it would be helpful to see a demonstration of his skills. For the purposes of the demonstration, the luxury car belonged to someone he knew and who gave him permission to "steal" it from the parking lot where he worked. I suspect that the car's owner was as curious as I was about how this worked and how long it takes.

We followed the target when he left his office to get lunch, pulling into the same Burger King, and actually stood in line to order our own meals. When we sat down to eat, it was in the booth next to the target.

As I munched on my onion rings, Kam pulled out his netbook, turned it on and ran a program that I could not see. He then closed the netbook and began eating.

"What? That's it?" I asked. Kam grinned at me.

When the target was safely back in his office, Kam pulled a device out of his sling bag and held it up, pressing a button on it. After what had to be less than a minute, I heard the distinctive beep-beep of the alarm disengaging on the car parked next to us — the wrong car, I should add — and then a few seconds later, the right one also beeped. Kam got out of his Jeep, opened the netbook and pushed a few keys, causing the doors to unlock on the car. He got behind the wheel, hit a few more keys and then started the car, putting it into gear and moving it to a parking spot in another row before getting out and reversing what he had done.

"How?" was all that I asked him.

"The program that I used has a library of decryption code that is progressive — every car I have ever done this to is part of that library," he explained. "When we were in the restaurant, I sent a code to the fob key behind me that convinced it that I was the car, asking it to authorize itself. The computer recorded its response. For older cars, that is all that is really necessary other than shutting down the alarm. Newer cars have more security features to the system, it changes each time the key is used, but the program that I use can compensate."

"And car thieves do this?" I ask.

"Indeed. When they first started to use this method to steal cars the insurance companies refused to pay because they believed that the RFID system was not hackable — they basically accused the owners of arranging the theft of their own cars," Kam said.

Originally Posted by crispenigl

This is exactly what happened to me and now at least I have some ammo to fight back.

THANK YOU!

Originally Posted by mooty

"porsches can't be stolen" hahahah. if so...
why ins. cost didn't drop
why not put national sec doc inside porsches
why do we need vaults
there are ppl who can steal nuclear warheads, stealing a porsche is as easy as pouring a cup of milk really.

btw, lojack doesn't always work. i have some "friend" who can kill of lojack before you finish reading this sentence.

let's hope this ordeal get wrapped up soon and you get another GT3!!!

Originally Posted by WalkerInTN

Just reading this whole ordeal now, & I'm fuming. Sounds like the police are going to be spending their time trying to nail you for the car instead of looking for the real criminals.

If there was an eyewitness that saw someone get out of your car & get into a getaway car, I wonder if they gave a description of that other car. At the casino, as everybody has mentioned, cameras are everywhere. Even if there wasn't one pointed at your car, there will be others that may have captured images of that car. Very likely the thieves drove through the parking garage in that same getaway car looking for a car to steal. I'd bet the casino has a camera that catches the licence plates of every vehicle that goes in & out of that garage. Might want to ask about that.

So far, the only company to make a vehicle totaly secure is NASA. Outside of the lunar rover, any car can be stolen.

Originally Posted by tcsracing1

i hate to ask, but i wouldnt mind seeing the photos of the torched gt3.

also, im willing to be that somebody hooked onto the car with a tow truck, smashed the window to get access once safely parked, and then found out how hard it was to start.

did the car still have its seats, headlights and bumpers?

if the car was stolen for just a joy ride, i cant see a joy ride thug having the ability/knowledge to start one of these cars without a key...

The police strategy is to attempt to wear you down just incase you might be guilty.... they will give up after a couple of attempts and forget who you are the day after..... standard police work.... lame, but worth a shot when all else fails...