What's the Consensus upgraded Steel or PCCB for the Mk2 GT3?
06-23-2009, 01:05 PM
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I recall seeing a PSDS GT2 come in from a lap on the nordschliefe with blue smoke coming off of the rears due to TC operation ...
06-23-2009, 01:07 PM
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Ceramics are a no brainer!
You can take them off and add steel, but the reverse is not a practical option.
If you don't like the ceramics, you can easily sell them to another Rennlister, and recover your money.
You'll get more on a trade-in with ceramics.
Oh, and they are lighter, much better to balance the car with.
Now, if you are always using the brakes to save yourself... well then they get expensive..... but an accomplished (or aspiring) driver's bias mitigates against over use of the brakes.. and the ceramics win (imo)!
Enjoy the journey!
You can take them off and add steel, but the reverse is not a practical option.
If you don't like the ceramics, you can easily sell them to another Rennlister, and recover your money.
You'll get more on a trade-in with ceramics.
Oh, and they are lighter, much better to balance the car with.
Now, if you are always using the brakes to save yourself... well then they get expensive..... but an accomplished (or aspiring) driver's bias mitigates against over use of the brakes.. and the ceramics win (imo)!
Enjoy the journey!
06-24-2009, 12:06 AM
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I would say yes on the seats and no on the brakes. Why? The seats are cheaper as an option than buying them as parts. New, the seats are $6800 a pair sold as parts. As the PCCBs are only a rotor upgrade and should be easy to find shortly used. Otherwise, if you buy them and switch out to metal rotors you lose $4-5K onn the used market selling them...plus the cost of the new rotors. To be honest, I heve never seen a single person upgrade to PCCBs on a car they already own, but at least half the people I know with GT3s switched to steel floating rotors. It really depends no how aggressive a pad you are going to run.
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06-24-2009, 12:50 AM
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10' owners may not be limited to CL wheels. Porsche is releasing a wheels set for upgrading earlier GT3s to CL. It comes with new hubs and hardware. Porsche is also releasing an optional spare wheel kit. This kit uses a 5- lug bolt spare. From the picture in the parts calalog, it appears that if you remove the CL wheel and use long 5-lug wheel bolts-on with a spacer to bolt on the spare. It appears from the parts catalog, that there are still 5 threaded holes on the hubs in addition to the CL.
...As the PCCBs are only a rotor upgrade and should be easy to find shortly used. Otherwise, if you buy them and switch out to metal rotors you lose $4-5K on the used market selling them...plus the cost of the new rotors. To be honest, I heve never seen a single person upgrade to PCCBs on a car they already own, but at least half the people I know with GT3s switched to steel floating rotors. It really depends no how aggressive a pad you are going to run.
...As the PCCBs are only a rotor upgrade and should be easy to find shortly used. Otherwise, if you buy them and switch out to metal rotors you lose $4-5K on the used market selling them...plus the cost of the new rotors. To be honest, I heve never seen a single person upgrade to PCCBs on a car they already own, but at least half the people I know with GT3s switched to steel floating rotors. It really depends no how aggressive a pad you are going to run.
Adding PCCBs is not simply a rotor upgrade. Entirely different wheel bearings are used in PCCB equipped cars, and brake balance has to be reset, among other things.
For street driving I have a data point. (And I'm not that easy on my brakes) I have worn off about .8 mm of brake pad from a 10.8mm thick PCCB pad. This is after 37,000 miles.
06-24-2009, 01:04 AM
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This kit uses a 5- lug bolt spare. From the picture in the parts calalog, it appears that if you remove the CL wheel and use long 5-lug wheel bolts-on with a spacer to bolt on the spare. It appears from the parts catalog, that there are still 5 threaded holes on the hubs in addition to the CL.
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06-24-2009, 01:18 AM
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06-24-2009, 01:28 AM
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Adding PCCBs is not simply a rotor upgrade. Entirely different wheel bearings are used in PCCB equipped cars, and brake balance has to be reset, among other things.
For street driving I have a data point. (And I'm not that easy on my brakes) I have worn off about .8 mm of brake pad from a 10.8mm thick PCCB pad. This is after 37,000 miles.
For street driving I have a data point. (And I'm not that easy on my brakes) I have worn off about .8 mm of brake pad from a 10.8mm thick PCCB pad. This is after 37,000 miles.
You can research the differences in the Porsche parts catalogs here:
http://login.dealerskins.com/SiteSpe...rameset_en.htm
06-24-2009, 01:37 AM
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Nice pic. I wonder if the wheel locators are threaded in a removeable? Note there are 5 of them and where they are located. The rotor has screws that attach it to the hub like previous models. Hmmm....
06-24-2009, 01:44 AM
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06-24-2009, 01:58 AM
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CL appear to have a different hub in this pic
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06-24-2009, 02:01 AM
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06-24-2009, 08:03 AM
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PCCBs fitted to Gen2 GT3 are apparently 'new' and different to ones fitted to Carrera/Turbo. They reckoned braking performance is a little better but the real advantage is reduction of weight which can (apparently) be felt in improved handling response and also comfort on uneven road surfaces
06-24-2009, 09:50 AM
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The weight is definitely noticeable. While I am unable to do a back to back swap on my car for obvious reasons, I did recently drive my car with stock wheels and then switched to the lighter Champion RS98s and did the same drive. I could absolutely feel it. It simply felt like I could feel more of the road. More nimble, I might say.
Does it handle better? Conceivably. If you appreciate the sensation of Porsche steering in the first place, lighter unsprung mass makes it that much more better. Steering feel now goes to 11.
Does it handle better? Conceivably. If you appreciate the sensation of Porsche steering in the first place, lighter unsprung mass makes it that much more better. Steering feel now goes to 11.
06-25-2009, 01:46 PM
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It seems like I am getting some support for my opinion on the ceramics over on this forum.
A brilliant thread:-
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...reuninger.html
'tis a lonely world for those of us who swear by them. A "cynic" might say he is just trying to sell Porsche parts, but he eschews other pricey options, so there is not a lot of validity to that viewpoint.
MJones how is the thinking evolving?
A brilliant thread:-
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...reuninger.html
'tis a lonely world for those of us who swear by them. A "cynic" might say he is just trying to sell Porsche parts, but he eschews other pricey options, so there is not a lot of validity to that viewpoint.
MJones how is the thinking evolving?