eclou

GT-R at NASA Eagles' Canyon Race. Was slower than the TTC Civic, and ran about the same time as my 944 turbo with a hangover...

C.J. Ichiban

he parked right next to me and jay, car looked cool, and launched out of the turns quickly, but I think he was just a family guy having fun and not a competitive drover. the m3 guy should have been racing his really fancy m3 instead of TT'ing it.

eclou

so you spanked him?

996FourEss

Check out the latest Evo magazine (at least the latest one in the US). Evo took five cars to the 'Ring to test times - Enzo, Pagani Zonda F, Carrera GT, Koenigsegg, Maserati MC12. All cars were driven by the same driver. The Koenigsegg, while the most acelerative, was the least driveable through the corners, and actually got crashed. The balance of the four set times of 7.24, 7.24, 7.25, 7.28 (min/sec) for the Maserati, Ferrari, Pagani, Porsche respectively. All cars were tracked with recommended road rubber.

Given these results, and given the power to weight of the Nissan GTR, I am highly sceptical that it achieved a 7.29 time. The Carrera GT, slowest of the bunch has 605bhp and weighs 1,380kg, about 350kgs below that of the GTR. I am willing to watch any YouTube video to the contrary, but something does not add up.

datax

I wonder why Sport Auto isn't testing a GTR. They are the benchmark setters for production based cars.

996FourEss

Completely agree. They should and put this whole debate into the academic field.

Kit_Chris

I have nothing to say about foreign GTR amateurs bashing other cars, I'll leave that up to you. The need you feel to nit pick another car (and deny its objective strengths) in order to make the GT3 look better in comparison is simply unbelievable, and please don't deny your obsession about the GTR, it's phenomenal, yet you seem to forget that this sort of comparative debating is precisely what you fight so bitterly.

Fair enough, this is your territory, but don't expect unanimous cheering as a result. Now, if you had anything serious to bring up against the GTR, I'd have nothing to say, but the pissing match between Nissan and Porsche about the Nurburgring times makes both of them look real bad, I'm also amazed that you would take Porsche's statements about their own GTR tests seriously; Porsche is clearly nervous about the GTR, they wouldn't bother issuing the sort of statements they have been making. Regarding the transmission issue, again there's no meat at all, and for those who think it's wrong for a manufacturer to install devices that are dangerous either to the car or the driver, then how about Ferrari doing the same about the 599? How about the GT3's semi-slick tires? How about traction control that can be turned off?

Sorry for standing out, I hope this is spicing things up.

Regards,
Chris

OldGuy

You can stand out Chris
you have been commenting far more intelligently than the Fan boise coming in here and using
sniper fire.
I dont think Porsche is nervous but incredulous. Like I said in another post. Nissan used the TT as the target and failed. Its an admirable target. But the Porsche TT has been one of the most if not THE most revered supercar since the Mid 70's. There is no way Nissan is going to hit that mark on their first try. Name another supercar that has been as consistent as the Porsche Twin Turbo. Its closed many a racing division.
They thought they did but now its coming out that they failed. In both mechanically and in price. As we are finding out.

Kit_Chris

This is a statement of opinion, like I said relying on a few cases of broken transmissions by wreckless owners and dubious claims about lap times proves nothing; one could make the case that the GTR is better because magazines say so, IMO both arguments are highly selective and weak as a result. The fact that there are thousands of pages devoted to comparing a turbo Porsche to a half price Nissan is a formidable achievement, whether one is quickest by a tenth matters little, the mere fact we discuss both these cars in the same breath is amazing. Given the choice, being a long time Porsche fan I'd go for the GT3, but the choice would be far from easy as both have tremendous strengths that the other doesn't have.

Regarding the price hike, it's the classic novelty phenomenon, let's see how it goes from now on, but I'd rather have Nissan cash in the extra money than resellers turning a profit on the hype. Asserting that your average GTR buyer should budget an extra 20K for transmission work is absolute non sense.

Regards,
Chris

OldGuy

According to a post on the AMG board today Nissan has halted all orders of the GTR

eclou

The GTR aura has evaporated just a month past the US launch. I would call that an epic failure by any metric. Nissan can publish more videos from any angles it wants - driver, passenger, outside, upskirt, whatever. People see the Adam's apple scar on the car and the honeymoon is over.

allegretto

The flaw with your approach is that you wish to argue that a GTR is an equivalent somehow of a TT-Porsche. Perhaps for you it is and for others, it simply isn't.

You argument smacks of the Political arguments going around now. One doesn't preface their loyalty but simply argues that the other is wrong or the one I personally like best, the " you're not open-minded enough" or its corollary; "you just don't understand".

You like the Nissan, OG does not apparently.

Me? I think it has a place, just not for me. I'd pay the difference and get the Porsche...YMMV

am722

True. http://jalopnik.com/5062550/nissan-t...duction-issues.

mooty

chris_kit, i have had the opportunity to drive pervious two generations of skyline GTR in asia. incredible cars no doubt. but the GTR/JDM aura doesn't appeal to the US market, at least at the moment anyway. it's a pointless argument. let the owners buy what they like and drive what they like. every car has it's place and in some cases, i find my civic much better than my GT3RS. GTR is much like porsche, you either get it or you dont. why argue until face is blue?

i collect fountain pens. some approaching the prices of automobiles. i dont try to convince rennlist that the pens are worth their price. this is a porsche forum, not a pen or a GTR forum. no offense, just trying to save you some breath.

allegretto

Oh no, fountain pens too!

We have much in common! Though I no longer understand my fountain pen Jones since I can't even use them anymore and always think I'll sell them. But then I just keep them, and about 12 times a year I actually carry one. Just a weapon at important signings.

Otherwise,like typewriters and 35mm cameras, 400HP engines, 6-speed manuals, 2800 lb sports cars, buggy whips etc.