Another GTR love letter
10-08-2008, 05:41 AM
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wow $20k for a transmission fix? $6k for a brake job, $1k for oil changes?
This GTR is an expensive car to keep up running.
The 996 GT3 is a killer deal. Reliable and strong. With a few upgrades, it's easily one of the fastest street legal cars at any track day, and it passes the sound limit at any track day.
This GTR is an expensive car to keep up running.
The 996 GT3 is a killer deal. Reliable and strong. With a few upgrades, it's easily one of the fastest street legal cars at any track day, and it passes the sound limit at any track day.
10-08-2008, 09:58 AM
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What is Porsches official stand on their PDK launch control? It really is not that uncommon for manufacturers to have some kind of warranty voiding restriction for using the launch control. I know that the BMW M3 SMG had a limit of 20 launches, I believe, for the Euro model. Lotus also voids warranty if you use the launch control on their Exige 240 model.
Launch control generally is no better than any other hard launchs (drop clutch or power braking) for the drivetrain. It may be ideal and be more smooth, but it can't be good for the car.
Anyone with a 997 GT2 read their manual on the launch control? Do they have any kind of disclaimer?
Launch control generally is no better than any other hard launchs (drop clutch or power braking) for the drivetrain. It may be ideal and be more smooth, but it can't be good for the car.
Anyone with a 997 GT2 read their manual on the launch control? Do they have any kind of disclaimer?
Keep in mind that F1 cars are multi-million dollar cars and their archiles heel is their gearbox, if the driver isn't spot on with the launch, the clutches are so small that they fry and the race is done at the start line.
As the GT2 is a manual, the only way the LC could act is through the accelerator (bi-wire) and therefore I doubt the gearbox or clutch would be compromised as much.
It is however stupid that these companies offer a feature that will destroy a car in a limited timeframe... what are you suppose to do with a BMW? Keep a log book of LC use to ensure you don't use hit the magic number 20!!! lol!
10-08-2008, 10:01 AM
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I had an Evo8 and an Evo9MR and launched both cars many many times, and that is a stick shift and never had any problems...100k for what??? I'll keep the old school 993TT thanks.
10-08-2008, 10:19 AM
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I don't remember anybody ever complaining about transmission issues with any of the Porsche turbos, abuse or not and I launched a 997 turbo HARD numerous times on my test drive and decided to buy the GT3 instead although the dead stop launch on the turbo is quite entertaining.
The dealer in general has been great with my cars, they had my cayman for over 30 days throughout one year and replaced numerous steering components. My GT3 however is a bit more complicated for them, one voided my squeak/rattle warranty although Porsche has a TSB about the front shocks and replaced them so I am waiting on the parts from another dealership. These are both fairly minor complaints though, nothing that you couldn't drive home with.
I have heard stories from Subaru and Mitsu guys about dealers voiding their drivetrain warranties, one mitsu dealer in town went so far as to go to an autocross event and take pictures of evo's for proof that they were being raced which is how they claimed to void the warranty on a sports car.......
So what's left, you just need an extremely strong transmission if you want to run an AWD car hard and you are just not going to get it from Nissan, Subaru or Mitsubishi even with Nissan priced "in the range" of a Turbo.
The dealer in general has been great with my cars, they had my cayman for over 30 days throughout one year and replaced numerous steering components. My GT3 however is a bit more complicated for them, one voided my squeak/rattle warranty although Porsche has a TSB about the front shocks and replaced them so I am waiting on the parts from another dealership. These are both fairly minor complaints though, nothing that you couldn't drive home with.
I have heard stories from Subaru and Mitsu guys about dealers voiding their drivetrain warranties, one mitsu dealer in town went so far as to go to an autocross event and take pictures of evo's for proof that they were being raced which is how they claimed to void the warranty on a sports car.......
So what's left, you just need an extremely strong transmission if you want to run an AWD car hard and you are just not going to get it from Nissan, Subaru or Mitsubishi even with Nissan priced "in the range" of a Turbo.
10-08-2008, 10:39 AM
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10-08-2008, 11:51 AM
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http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/103516-gt...-industry.html
10-08-2008, 02:26 PM
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I see that as good news for all car guys.. cheaper cars (whether it is GT-R, GT3, etc.) is never a bad thing.. !!
Anyway, hope the tranny is just some isolated cases.. (the tranny in the GT-R is built by Borg-Warner, no? At least I know it uses parts from Borg.. and they are not new to dual-clutch tranny..) The tranny looks huge (and weights a ton!) and I was counting on it being able to take serious abuse..
Will be interesting to see how beefy the PDK is for the Turbo!!
Anyway, hope the tranny is just some isolated cases.. (the tranny in the GT-R is built by Borg-Warner, no? At least I know it uses parts from Borg.. and they are not new to dual-clutch tranny..) The tranny looks huge (and weights a ton!) and I was counting on it being able to take serious abuse..
Will be interesting to see how beefy the PDK is for the Turbo!!
10-08-2008, 04:37 PM
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I have done my homework and from what i can see the GT3 is the best all round car for DD, DE and other forms of motosport all wrapped up in one neat little package!
like em' or not, you cant ignore the GT3's all round flexability for a sports car.
I love em'
like em' or not, you cant ignore the GT3's all round flexability for a sports car.
I love em'
Sold my GTR, very impressive, but no GT3.
10-09-2008, 12:03 AM
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Drag racing on the other hand is hit or miss, even the fully built drag muscle cars break transmission parts on the launch.
10-09-2008, 12:34 AM
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sounds like the perfect car from Japan: ugly and fast on the highway.
58,000 miles on my car and only pads and one set of rotors (porsche covered) LSD (covered). I love Porsches. I looked at a Viper today... the dealer marked it up to $159K the MSRP was $90K
58,000 miles on my car and only pads and one set of rotors (porsche covered) LSD (covered). I love Porsches. I looked at a Viper today... the dealer marked it up to $159K the MSRP was $90K
10-09-2008, 02:58 AM
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The difference is the crowd buying it.
I drive my car extremely hard but I dont do things it wasnt meant to do.
LC is extremely hard on the transmission and I cannot imaging a mature driver doing LC at every traffic light.
I would be willing to bet that this owner abused the car. He clearly didnt follow the Nissan guidelines. The owner probably has no clue what he was doing and jacked it up.
Also, the GTR is a really heavy AWD car. LC is going to punish the transmission because of pure physics MORE than the gt2
I drive my car extremely hard but I dont do things it wasnt meant to do.
LC is extremely hard on the transmission and I cannot imaging a mature driver doing LC at every traffic light.
I would be willing to bet that this owner abused the car. He clearly didnt follow the Nissan guidelines. The owner probably has no clue what he was doing and jacked it up.
Also, the GTR is a really heavy AWD car. LC is going to punish the transmission because of pure physics MORE than the gt2