Another GTR love letter
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Soon as my wife is not looking. I am going to get one that does 530+ and 530 torques. I love this car.
A little ole grandmas car with 500++ of hp!!
But really its not a grandma car. I have had more people come up and drool all over the car and say what a nice car than any of my 911s. That is strange to me. Either people are confused or intimidated by the GT3s or they really love and admire Mercedes OR AMG
A little ole grandmas car with 500++ of hp!!
But really its not a grandma car. I have had more people come up and drool all over the car and say what a nice car than any of my 911s. That is strange to me. Either people are confused or intimidated by the GT3s or they really love and admire Mercedes OR AMG
#122
Good point, which is why many of us miss the 1970s and 1980s artful F1 driving, unassisted 911s, and unprotected sex.
Why not? But thanks for attributing to me such a noble task, dear Rennlister! Nobility detests unfairness, true love spits in the face of unreasoned partisanship, intellectual dishonesty is unwelcome on any public forum, and I'm sure this won't affect our shared love for the brand. Let Nissan and Porsche lose sleep over this, the automotive world is for us enthusiasts a hobby, a game, to be played in good spirits.
Until the sequel, ciao ciao!
Regards,
Chris
Why not? But thanks for attributing to me such a noble task, dear Rennlister! Nobility detests unfairness, true love spits in the face of unreasoned partisanship, intellectual dishonesty is unwelcome on any public forum, and I'm sure this won't affect our shared love for the brand. Let Nissan and Porsche lose sleep over this, the automotive world is for us enthusiasts a hobby, a game, to be played in good spirits.
Until the sequel, ciao ciao!
Regards,
Chris
#123
Soon as my wife is not looking. I am going to get one that does 530+ and 530 torques. I love this car.
A little ole grandmas car with 500++ of hp!!
But really its not a grandma car. I have had more people come up and drool all over the car and say what a nice car than any of my 911s. That is strange to me. Either people are confused or intimidated by the GT3s or they really love and admire Mercedes OR AMG
A little ole grandmas car with 500++ of hp!!
But really its not a grandma car. I have had more people come up and drool all over the car and say what a nice car than any of my 911s. That is strange to me. Either people are confused or intimidated by the GT3s or they really love and admire Mercedes OR AMG
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#127
GTR transmission update, by Motor Trend, December 23, 2008:
Shortly before we crowned the Nissan GT-R our 2009 Car of the Year, a controversy broke out surrounding the durability of both the transmission and the warranty. In today's Video Find, tuners at Samurai Speed managed to break their own GT-R transmission, but they set a few records along the way.
According to Samurai Speed, their GT-R has run a claimed world-record 10.53 sec pass in the quarter mile thanks to its "600+" horsepower at the wheels. After "100+" launches down the drag strip using the controversial Launch Control program, the team finally managed to blow up their transmission, but that hasn't got them down. The team says that they were searching for the limits of the transmission and are now working on getting stronger gears for their new box, suggesting that the failure occurred in one of the gears. The company hopes to break into the 9 sec. quarter-mile range once the car is rebuilt, this time with even more power.
Assuming the 100-plus drag strip launches and 600-plus wheel horsepower are accurate, this would seem to indicate that the GT-R's transmission is far more stout than it has been rumored to be. Reports of the gearbox's fragility have centered around the complaints of a member of the North American GTR Owners Club who's transmission was destroyed after being used with the Launch Control system too many times. It eventually came to light that he had been driving the car very hard and that the owner's manual and warranty clearly state that such damage would not be covered by the warranty, but the incident has cast a dark shadow over the GT-R. While Nissan has confirmed that it will not warranty damaged caused by abuse with the nanny systems turned off, the company has also considered removing the Launch Control feature from future models. Still, it would appear that Samurai Speed has proven the gearbox capable of handling more than the car's rated power under a fair amount of abuse, more than any street-driven car will likely see. Still, at $20,000 per transmission, racing a GT-R is not for the weak-of-wallet.
http://wot.motortrend.com/6407784/vi...-hp/index.html
Shortly before we crowned the Nissan GT-R our 2009 Car of the Year, a controversy broke out surrounding the durability of both the transmission and the warranty. In today's Video Find, tuners at Samurai Speed managed to break their own GT-R transmission, but they set a few records along the way.
According to Samurai Speed, their GT-R has run a claimed world-record 10.53 sec pass in the quarter mile thanks to its "600+" horsepower at the wheels. After "100+" launches down the drag strip using the controversial Launch Control program, the team finally managed to blow up their transmission, but that hasn't got them down. The team says that they were searching for the limits of the transmission and are now working on getting stronger gears for their new box, suggesting that the failure occurred in one of the gears. The company hopes to break into the 9 sec. quarter-mile range once the car is rebuilt, this time with even more power.
Assuming the 100-plus drag strip launches and 600-plus wheel horsepower are accurate, this would seem to indicate that the GT-R's transmission is far more stout than it has been rumored to be. Reports of the gearbox's fragility have centered around the complaints of a member of the North American GTR Owners Club who's transmission was destroyed after being used with the Launch Control system too many times. It eventually came to light that he had been driving the car very hard and that the owner's manual and warranty clearly state that such damage would not be covered by the warranty, but the incident has cast a dark shadow over the GT-R. While Nissan has confirmed that it will not warranty damaged caused by abuse with the nanny systems turned off, the company has also considered removing the Launch Control feature from future models. Still, it would appear that Samurai Speed has proven the gearbox capable of handling more than the car's rated power under a fair amount of abuse, more than any street-driven car will likely see. Still, at $20,000 per transmission, racing a GT-R is not for the weak-of-wallet.
http://wot.motortrend.com/6407784/vi...-hp/index.html
#128
I wonder what type of tranny the boys and girls from Zuffenhausen could put together for $20K?
If Porsche had a mean streak they'd consider producing an aftermarket "crate" transmission for the GT-R. A tranny that doesn't break. Ever. Ha!
That'd be a chuckle.
If Porsche had a mean streak they'd consider producing an aftermarket "crate" transmission for the GT-R. A tranny that doesn't break. Ever. Ha!
That'd be a chuckle.
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#131
"There are none so blind as those who will not see!"
Bottom line is, the entire debate about the GTR's transmission is worthless, claims to its reliability problems are fabricated and ruminated by those who can't stand healthy competition!
Regards,
Chris
#132
But statistics, eh, what a game. And you know, if you plot that one data point, it's going to be in a cloud and plot another hundred samples and the cloud will just take shape. The likelihood of a given single data point being anomalous reflects the distribution. Funny how much a really energetic statistician can pull out of a single sample. Porsche tends to agree with you -- they'll see a hundred GT3s with seal failures and say it's statistically insignificant. But to each of those owners, there's ample meaning. : )
For Nissan, I think there's low expectations and the whole production of the GTR is insignificant to such a massive and diverse company. Conversely, if Porsche started having us sign waivers and disclaimers, disabling PDK launch control and reporting clutch failures or (perish the thought) gear failures, well, I think for a lot of us, the sky would be falling (as would the stock price.)
My new years' resolution for 2009 is to get a GT3 (or RS!) with PDK and use every ounce of it. (Let's call that full disclosure for when I sell.)
#133
There are more than 130 replies on this thread. Who among those actually willing to own a GT-R and have the first-hand experience?
#134
My 996 GT2 transmission failed at 11,000 miles. Porsche replaced it under warranty. At that point in time they told me that it's price fitted in British pounds was £10,000, which was about $18,000.
Does that make all GT2s and all 911s bad? Of course not, but I doubt the GTR haters will care as they're not interested in facts.
Does that make all GT2s and all 911s bad? Of course not, but I doubt the GTR haters will care as they're not interested in facts.
#135
Nissan would not have removed launch control from the '10s and started the campaign to reflash all '09 cars to remove LC if there was only a single case of a broken transmission. There also would not be data logging of 5 ranges of transmission oil temps stored, nor would there be owner submitted reports of 280F transmission oil temps.