Same, never used any additional clips/screws, it hold very tight without the need.

 

What I DID do to my 3.8L GT3 car today,... was COMPARE it to other 997 (& 996) 3.6l GT3 cars...

Yesterday I had the opportunity to drive a 3.6 liter Silver/Orange 997.1 GT3 RS. Drove it all day as the owner wanted to get rid of the entire tank of old gas.

He sat in the passenger seat the entire day, but I still got to drive it like I stole it.

I've driven other 3.6 liter GT3 cars before. 996 3.6 GT3, as well as non-RS 3.6 997 GT3's. Most of these had simple exhaust mods, so the exhaust notes have always been amazing.

But yesterday was a 1st for me in a Gen1 RS. All stock including the exhaust.

I think I was expecting so much from the car, because of everything I keep reading (RS is RS, LWFW, etc).

But in the end, what struck me the MOST, was the torque difference.... or lack thereof compared to my 3.8. I knew that was the case with the previous 3.6 Mezgers,... but yesterday really finalized my thoughts.

There is also the possibility that my prior 20 yrs with our 964 Turbo, with its total rush of torque once that single turbo kicks in (its the very last RWD single Turbo widebody 911 Porsche has ever built),... and that, coupled with 6 yrs in my 3.8l GT3 car, has made it clear that I really do crave the torque even when its a screaming, high reving, NA Mezger.

There is no replacement for displacement.

Now the quest will be to get a chance to drive a 2011 4.0l GT3RS. Not sure it will be as good as the several times I've driven my buddies CGT,... but it's still on "my list" anyway. And I DO have a friend who owns one.... but that one has been resigned to C&C duty, and never gets driven hard, so zero chance I'd get to wring that one out.

Cheers!!

 

Similarly probably the first thing I noticed. And missed it initially. A week later, not so much. I think the re-gear and a tune will be helpful in covering some of the delta.

 

Lucky for me I've never driven .2. That being said, I'm willing to do a pull with any stock .2 in So Cal. I'm not stock so it would be a good indication of how one can get a .1RS to compete with a .2.

 

It would also be really interesting to see how a Dundon power pack .1 fares next to a largely stock .2. There may in fact be a replacement for displacement, it’s just not cheap (though neither is the .2 price premium).

 

Thanks for sharing your experience! Keep in mind the 997.1 RS is more similar to the .1 GT3 than the 997.2 RS is to the .2 GT3.

 

yes u r correct one drive in a 991.2 4.0L Motorsport engine and that 3.8L will turn to disappointment #bigger #better #best

 

My buddy has a GT4 with a D4 and I have this RS with D4 and we pull against each other and there isn’t really a clear faster, initially I thought I would be able to walk away. I am curious however if we are on track how much my 3rd gear could pull up at the high end.. but both of us should in theory have almost the same HP as a 991.2 …it feels like the right amount of HP, I’ve had more and less. Unlike my mustangs I don’t like the feeling of breaking the rear lose outside of a corner, there is so much rubber on the ground I can just feel the torque wrenching against all the bits

 

probably right, but i think his goal is to drive a 997 GT3 RS 4.0.

i owned a beautiful arctic / orange 3.6 RS and (compares to 3.8) is lacking in torque. it is thrilling to drive. nontheless

 

I would beg to differ. The 991.2 4.0 is a great motor for sure, but the 997 3.8 can hold its own just fine. They both have a unique character. Some of us have owned 991.2's and found that we still prefer the 997.2 over the newer ones.

 

I'm not sure we differ at all. I own a 997 3.8 RS and have no problem keeping up....

 

I was trying to get Brian's quote in there as well, I guess it didn't work.

 

haha, what I'm MOST pleased about, at this very moment, is that my post spurred on so much passion & enthusiasm for folks to post up.

Couple reply thoughts from me....

I'm in agreement RAudi ... that mods to a stock .1 (whether RS or non), would certainly increase the HP,... & more than likely also increase the torque to some degree. So if by "pull" your citing something like a 60 ft romp from standstill (to feel torque), or maybe even a 30mph rolling "pull", to see if mods to a .1 bring the torque up to a stock .2 ... then YES, that would be a cool comparison.
Not sure I've seen many youtube videos where they focus on the G's during a pull. Maybe someone has done it. I do like how the new cars have that G meter in the dash. When I was exercising my buddies 991.1 Turbo S last month, I had the gauge set to show me the G's during my launch. Problem was, the dang thing is a rocket ship & I needed to pay attention to the road, not the dash. I'm sure those new cars have the ability to "record" that launch,... I just didn't have the patience to learn how.

That old phrase "no replacement for displacement" (from back in the late 70's & early 80's when I was growing up), doesn't hold the same water in our current day of technology. Sure it was a fun come-back response to the 80's turbo's that were easing into the markets, and fun for guys like me who were building Big Block Chevy's. As you said,.. mod costs to a .1 are not cheap (Dundon), compared to the .2 premium purchase price,... but lots of folks LOVE the journey of modification too (me included). Choices choices. ... I just wish my .2 was not so perfect in the first place (straight from the factory),... so I could play around modding a 997 GT3. I envy those who get to do that. Guess I gotta buy another one!! Lol.

True, true. But for me, now that I already own a non-RS 997.2 GT3,... if I were to get another one, I would loooove to add a 3.6liter 997.1 RS. I love widebody 911's with wings,... so the visual aspect of that car calls to me. So yea, I would still compare the .1 RS torque, to my .2 / 3. ... which would immediately lead me down the path of modifications. Dundon would probably cause my mind to warp in circles,.... cost-verses-benefit. My wife would have a cow listening to me weigh pros & cons.


I have slowly dismissed my old rule of thumb "be careful meeting your hero's". Driving the CGT helped me throw that phrase completely out the window. hahaha
.... and yes, do NOT get me wrong, driving that Silver/Orange .1 RS was thrilling indeed. But I get 95% of that same thrill in my .2 GT3 every day all day now,... so I was really trying to focus on the little differences. Hence I landed with Torque at the top of that {very little} list of differences. YOU guys are to blame (with all your excellent comparison writings here on RL) for me drilling in & trying to make those small comparisons. Lol. It was FUN tho!!

Thanks again my 997 GT brethren!

 

Thats Hilarious!!

 

I've been meaning to raise the front end a bit and finally got around to it. Trouble is the aluminum adjustment collars are seized against the steel shock bodies, on both corners. My PB Blaster and Longacre wrench failed. Now I'm waiting for Kroil and a bigger wrench to arrive...