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Old 02-10-2019, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Petza914 View Post
These aren't classic air cooled Porsches so I disagree that values drop with things like HVAC switches that don't look like originals, especially if they look better than originals.

For examples:
  1. if someone like Rennline made anodized aluminum versions of these HVAC toggles with their precision machining, who here wouldn't rather have a high quality, highly durable, metal piece in place of a crappy plastic one - I would. Anything that's an improvement to the original design, doesn't detract from the value on a 997.
  2. Is my car worth less because it has braided stainless brake lines that will now last the life of the car, not rupture, not internally swell and limit the fluid flow, like the original rubber ones would now that they're 14 years old - I don't think so.
  3. Is a 997 worth less if it has Function First metal shifter cable ends that won't fatigue and break over time like the OEM plastic ones will and do, stranding you on the side of the road - I don't think so.
  4. And the most exteme case - is a 997 with an original IMS bearing that's prone to fail and takeout the entire motor worth more than one that has been properly upgraded - I don't think so.
Porsche can't afford to make things as good as they could possibly be as the cars would be so far out of reach that the sales numbers would plummet. They have to compromise here and there with good enough, but once a deficiency is identified and an owner goes to the trouble and expense of correcting that deficiency, I for one would much rather use an upgraded part than one that was made the same way and will have the same problems as the OEM part, wouldn't you.

Those toggles in the last photo with the smooth finish are the ones you should have decided to manufacture. That's what the MA Carbon ones I have installed in my car look more like and they are nicer to touch than the grainy plastic finish of the originals.

Hello Pete,

I have to disagree. While some modern Porsche models can handle a bit of tuning (specially Caymans) other models like 997 Turbo, GT3, GT2, 4S, etc. will devaluate if they are not 100% OEM. This is specially remarkable in Europe (I know the US market is more permissive with non original equipment), but here in Europe a 997 Turbo with aftermarket coils and aftermarket rear lights will sell a 10%-20% cheaper than a 100% stock unit, no matter if the coils are better than the OEMs. Why? Because original coils work fine, and original rear lights work fine too. IMS bearing is another story, nobody wants to brake the engine so an aftermarket piece in this case makes sense.

All the examples you have are from non visible parts. The toggles are visible, so its a different thing.

Important no note that our Climarepair Revolution switches look like the originals but won't peel off like the originals.

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Old 02-10-2019, 06:14 PM
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I will give credit to Climarepair for these new Revolution switches. I recieved mine on Wednesday.

The part is clearly injection molded, and not 3D printed, which is nice.

The finish is OEM equivalent or better. Actually perfect. It's a smoother finish than the Sport, PASM, PSM, PSE etc. switches on the lower console below the HVAC control, but not quite as smooth as the buttons on the factory PCM(Yes, there is a difference. I had never noticed this difference between the two finishes of the factory buttons/ switches before, but I'd never before inspected them with a magnifying glass and a high output light source either). The Temp font/ kerning and Fan icon are very clean, crisp, and well placed.

The fit is well engineered. No gaps or funny fitment issues. They snapped into place and look factory or better.

They are slicker to the touch than original, but I was expecting that as it's not a rubberized finish.

I can't comment on durability because I just installed them.

So, as it stands, I'm satisfied.
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Old 02-10-2019, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Climarepair.com View Post
Hello Pete,

I have to disagree. While some modern Porsche models can handle a bit of tuning (specially Caymans) other models like 997 Turbo, GT3, GT2, 4S, etc. will devaluate if they are not 100% OEM. This is specially remarkable in Europe (I know the US market is more permissive with non original equipment), but here in Europe a 997 Turbo with aftermarket coils and aftermarket rear lights will sell a 10%-20% cheaper than a 100% stock unit, no matter if the coils are better than the OEMs. Why? Because original coils work fine, and original rear lights work fine too. IMS bearing is another story, nobody wants to brake the engine so an aftermarket piece in this case makes sense.

All the examples you have are from non visible parts. The toggles are visible, so its a different thing.

Important no note that our Climarepair Revolution switches look like the originals but won't peel off like the originals.

Best regards,
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A different suspension is quite a bit different than a couple of HVAC switches.

If you're telling me that for an $80,000 997 Turbo that someone has put led taillights on that I can get it at an $8,000-$10,000 discount for the cost of a set of $300 OEM taillights, I'd buy every one I could find and start a new business. Sorry, but that's ridiculous.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:28 PM
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So the Clima crap has been grainy on purpose all this time cause that's what concours judges will be looking for. Riiiiigggghhtt.
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