Am I the only person that likes the Tiptronic?
10-03-2016, 11:04 PM
#31
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What about the guys that drive manual but that don't like driving manual, will they admit they don't like driving manual?
10-03-2016, 11:50 PM
#33
Nordschleife Master
Here:
When Ferrari made the move to drop its iconic gated stick shift the Italian automaker boasted that its transmission technology had become so impressive that shifting your own gears was, at best, antiquated and at worst, robbing the car of its performance.
With the launch of the new Huracán and retirement of its Gallardo model, rival Lamborghini has now also sold its last stick shift. Their reason: no one cares.
That’s right, demand for a manual transmission has almost entirely disappeared.
Badgered about the lack of a manual by journalists during a tech session on the new Huracán at the automaker’s headquarters in Sant’Agata Bolognese last week, chief engineer Maurizio Reggiani brought up the fact that just five percent of Gallardo orders were for a manual. Mid-sentence, he was interrupted by company CEO Stephan Winkelmann who commented that the 5 percent statistic was ancient.
“Close to zero percent Gallardos were ordered in manual,” he said.
In fact, orders for a manual transmission were so few and far between admits Winkelman that every time one came in they had to go back and re-check the order form, confirming with the dealership that a mistake hadn’t been made.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...nsmission.html
With the launch of the new Huracán and retirement of its Gallardo model, rival Lamborghini has now also sold its last stick shift. Their reason: no one cares.
That’s right, demand for a manual transmission has almost entirely disappeared.
Badgered about the lack of a manual by journalists during a tech session on the new Huracán at the automaker’s headquarters in Sant’Agata Bolognese last week, chief engineer Maurizio Reggiani brought up the fact that just five percent of Gallardo orders were for a manual. Mid-sentence, he was interrupted by company CEO Stephan Winkelmann who commented that the 5 percent statistic was ancient.
“Close to zero percent Gallardos were ordered in manual,” he said.
In fact, orders for a manual transmission were so few and far between admits Winkelman that every time one came in they had to go back and re-check the order form, confirming with the dealership that a mistake hadn’t been made.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...nsmission.html
10-03-2016, 11:59 PM
#34
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All that said, I'll take manual any day, stop and go traffic and all. I'd switch to a throttle cable if I could too.
10-04-2016, 12:24 AM
#35
Burning Brakes
I shoot a .45 1911 made >70 years ago; my favorite rifle is a Martini-Henry .577-.450, made in 1887.
I wear tasseled loafers that haven't been cutting edge since the 1950's.
I collect old books. REALLY old books (if it hit the stands after 1700, I'm not really that interested).
I have a rotary dial phone on my home office desk.
And I drive a manual C4S.
If I wanted pure efficiency, I'd have a Glock and nylon Adidas and a Kindle and live on my iPhone 7 (ok, I use my iPhone 6 quite a bit…). When I'm facing a long haul or sustained city driving: the Land Rover.
Nobody in their right mind buys a Porsche because it's the ideal all-around car. That's what Nissan Altimas are for (or, so I'd imagine). I don't want a vehicle that everyone likes---nor, frankly, that everyone can drive. PDK is infinitely better at selecting the right gear at the right time, than I will ever be. And, so what.
If you enjoy your Tiptronic or PDK, God love you. Clearly superior mechanical devices.
I prefer three pedals and six gears. Reverse snobbery? Perhaps. But harmless snobbery, if so.
I wear tasseled loafers that haven't been cutting edge since the 1950's.
I collect old books. REALLY old books (if it hit the stands after 1700, I'm not really that interested).
I have a rotary dial phone on my home office desk.
And I drive a manual C4S.
If I wanted pure efficiency, I'd have a Glock and nylon Adidas and a Kindle and live on my iPhone 7 (ok, I use my iPhone 6 quite a bit…). When I'm facing a long haul or sustained city driving: the Land Rover.
Nobody in their right mind buys a Porsche because it's the ideal all-around car. That's what Nissan Altimas are for (or, so I'd imagine). I don't want a vehicle that everyone likes---nor, frankly, that everyone can drive. PDK is infinitely better at selecting the right gear at the right time, than I will ever be. And, so what.
If you enjoy your Tiptronic or PDK, God love you. Clearly superior mechanical devices.
I prefer three pedals and six gears. Reverse snobbery? Perhaps. But harmless snobbery, if so.
10-04-2016, 12:54 AM
#36
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I had an AUDI with the Tiptronic it was a fun car but for me nothing beats a Stick
10-04-2016, 09:29 AM
#37
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No they didn't. With 997.1, tiptronic/manual ratio was 1/9. Tiptronic 997s are actually pretty rare. PDK is a lot more popular than tip. Ratio of PDK to manual is much closer with 997.2.
All that said, I'll take manual any day, stop and go traffic and all. I'd switch to a throttle cable if I could too.
All that said, I'll take manual any day, stop and go traffic and all. I'd switch to a throttle cable if I could too.
10-04-2016, 09:31 AM
#38
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10-04-2016, 09:34 AM
#39
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I loved my tiptronic until it crapped out at 48k miles. Had to decide between buying a rebuilt and hoping they did it right or buying a used box and hoping Porsche did it right. Went with the used box and we will see how happy I am when I get the car back on Wednesday. I'm leaning towards eating the cost and selling the car and going back to a manual. I believe PDK is a great gear box... until it isn't. The less electricals in a car the better. You'll all become believers when the next large solar flare hits...or MPB.
10-04-2016, 09:55 AM
#40
Drifting
10-04-2016, 10:55 AM
#42
Intermediate
My Tiptronic crapped out on my 2001 boxster at 190,000 km. It cost me just over 5000 dollars to get it rebuilt and about 5 trips to the transmission shop to figure out various leaks. I had the RMS and IMS replaced at the same time. I ended up selling the car shortly after because I didn't want to deal with any further repairs. I was told tiptronics were built proof. Clearly not this one.
I ended up buying a 2009 PDK. Had it for 4 months and found out that the PDK was failing. that's 2 Porsche with 2 transmission problems. that was sooooo fun. My next Porsche will be stick shift or nothing at all.
10-04-2016, 11:03 AM
#43
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It's pretty easy really - stick is the defacto standard for sports car driving involvement. For those who want the full experience, even if at the expense of 1/10ths of a second, they buy a stick.
Other than lap times, leaving the stick is a compromise justified by something (too much time in traffic, medical issue where operating a clutch is painful, never learned to drive stick, etc)
and if you've left the manual transmission fold, then it's clear that PDK is the best option (faster shifts, rev matched downshifts, shifts to the right gears at the right times even in full auto mode)
anyone with a Tip either couldn't justify the cost of the newer car that would have been equipped with the PDK, has never driven roughly the same car with a PDK and a Tip (I know it's impossible) and preferred the driving characteristics of the Tip, or is just trying to justify why they own a Tip equipped car.
My Cayenne Turbo has a Tip and I wish it had a PDK or a stick. Almost bought the 957 GTS just so I'd have a stick, but for the type of vehicle that is and how we use it, compromised my transmission choice for the 550 HP.
Other than lap times, leaving the stick is a compromise justified by something (too much time in traffic, medical issue where operating a clutch is painful, never learned to drive stick, etc)
and if you've left the manual transmission fold, then it's clear that PDK is the best option (faster shifts, rev matched downshifts, shifts to the right gears at the right times even in full auto mode)
anyone with a Tip either couldn't justify the cost of the newer car that would have been equipped with the PDK, has never driven roughly the same car with a PDK and a Tip (I know it's impossible) and preferred the driving characteristics of the Tip, or is just trying to justify why they own a Tip equipped car.
My Cayenne Turbo has a Tip and I wish it had a PDK or a stick. Almost bought the 957 GTS just so I'd have a stick, but for the type of vehicle that is and how we use it, compromised my transmission choice for the 550 HP.
10-04-2016, 11:40 AM
#44
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
It's pretty easy really - stick is the defacto standard for sports car driving involvement. For those who want the full experience, even if at the expense of 1/10ths of a second, they buy a stick.
Other than lap times, leaving the stick is a compromise justified by something (too much time in traffic, medical issue where operating a clutch is painful, never learned to drive stick, etc)
and if you've left the manual transmission fold, then it's clear that PDK is the best option (faster shifts, rev matched downshifts, shifts to the right gears at the right times even in full auto mode)
anyone with a Tip either couldn't justify the cost of the newer car that would have been equipped with the PDK, has never driven roughly the same car with a PDK and a Tip (I know it's impossible) and preferred the driving characteristics of the Tip, or is just trying to justify why they own a Tip equipped car.
My Cayenne Turbo has a Tip and I wish it had a PDK or a stick. Almost bought the 957 GTS just so I'd have a stick, but for the type of vehicle that is and how we use it, compromised my transmission choice for the 550 HP.
Other than lap times, leaving the stick is a compromise justified by something (too much time in traffic, medical issue where operating a clutch is painful, never learned to drive stick, etc)
and if you've left the manual transmission fold, then it's clear that PDK is the best option (faster shifts, rev matched downshifts, shifts to the right gears at the right times even in full auto mode)
anyone with a Tip either couldn't justify the cost of the newer car that would have been equipped with the PDK, has never driven roughly the same car with a PDK and a Tip (I know it's impossible) and preferred the driving characteristics of the Tip, or is just trying to justify why they own a Tip equipped car.
My Cayenne Turbo has a Tip and I wish it had a PDK or a stick. Almost bought the 957 GTS just so I'd have a stick, but for the type of vehicle that is and how we use it, compromised my transmission choice for the 550 HP.
10-04-2016, 12:04 PM
#45
anyone with a Tip either couldn't justify the cost of the newer car that would have been equipped with the PDK, has never driven roughly the same car with a PDK and a Tip (I know it's impossible) and preferred the driving characteristics of the Tip, or is just trying to justify why they own a Tip equipped car.
That said, I have absolutely no hang-ups over admitting the PDK is superior to the Tip in every way. I'd love a PDK equipped 997.1 Turbo, but no such thing exists.
I know it places me in the minority around here, but transmission type is not as important to me as other factors. I've owned them all, and would not cross any off of my list. I wanted a manual 997 Turbo initially, but after shopping and driving both transmission types, I did not feel the manual versions were worth the $7500+ premium that people were asking on the used market. Others do.