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I have to admit that I'm surprised that some of us will still look just at the $$ and not what you're getting.
Huge range of quality of cars you can get at $55K for an 09 C2S, or any car someone is looking to buy at a given price.
I know because I went through about 15-20 cars before buying my own car a few years ago. On paper it is easy to say "good deal" or "bad deal" but we see on the forum the aftereffects of buying something on the lower price range of spectrum (more often than not).
A buyer who spends over $60K for the exact car they wanted was less a sucker imho than someone who saves $5K and gets a car with issues, or that doesn't have the specs or details they were looking for.
Some of the dreamers on the selling side may be asking above the market average price but they may also know they have an above average car and demanding that higher price. It is a market but these aren't stocks -- not every one of them is the same with another.
Huge range of quality of cars you can get at $55K for an 09 C2S, or any car someone is looking to buy at a given price.
I know because I went through about 15-20 cars before buying my own car a few years ago. On paper it is easy to say "good deal" or "bad deal" but we see on the forum the aftereffects of buying something on the lower price range of spectrum (more often than not).
A buyer who spends over $60K for the exact car they wanted was less a sucker imho than someone who saves $5K and gets a car with issues, or that doesn't have the specs or details they were looking for.
Some of the dreamers on the selling side may be asking above the market average price but they may also know they have an above average car and demanding that higher price. It is a market but these aren't stocks -- not every one of them is the same with another.
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I'm patient. I have plenty of time.
I think you underestimate the demand for a clean low mileage 997.2. A black on black 09 C2S with 23k miles sold here for over $60k recently.
Regardless, I'm confident prices will go up over the next 5-7 years. If not, I still love this car too much to let it go for anything less.
I think you underestimate the demand for a clean low mileage 997.2. A black on black 09 C2S with 23k miles sold here for over $60k recently.
Regardless, I'm confident prices will go up over the next 5-7 years. If not, I still love this car too much to let it go for anything less.
I say just enjoy it for what it is, I certainly wouldn't pay 59 for it and don't know anyone who would. If it's worth that for you, just keep it and enjoy it!
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Albeit, It was a manual. So even more rare for a 997.2.
Personally, black is my least favorite color, but if it was the right color combo. I would shell out ~60k for a clean low mileage 997.2 C2S.
I don't understand why people think these prices are ridiculous. The 997.2 is a refined masterpiece. Arguably the most balanced all-around 911 that will ever be made. There is a HIGH demand for 997's, and there is short supply. Economics 101.
To me a sucker is someone who shells out ~$60k+ for a 3,700 lb $48k Mustang with matching Fiesta interior. Not someone who picks up a classic six figure German masterpiece for damn near half price. But to each their own...
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I have to admit that I'm surprised that some of us will still look just at the $$ and not what you're getting.
Huge range of quality of cars you can get at $55K for an 09 C2S, or any car someone is looking to buy at a given price.
I know because I went through about 15-20 cars before buying my own car a few years ago. On paper it is easy to say "good deal" or "bad deal" but we see on the forum the aftereffects of buying something on the lower price range of spectrum (more often than not).
A buyer who spends over $60K for the exact car they wanted was less a sucker imho than someone who saves $5K and gets a car with issues, or that doesn't have the specs or details they were looking for.
Some of the dreamers on the selling side may be asking above the market average price but they may also know they have an above average car and demanding that higher price. It is a market but these aren't stocks -- not every one of them is the same with another.
Huge range of quality of cars you can get at $55K for an 09 C2S, or any car someone is looking to buy at a given price.
I know because I went through about 15-20 cars before buying my own car a few years ago. On paper it is easy to say "good deal" or "bad deal" but we see on the forum the aftereffects of buying something on the lower price range of spectrum (more often than not).
A buyer who spends over $60K for the exact car they wanted was less a sucker imho than someone who saves $5K and gets a car with issues, or that doesn't have the specs or details they were looking for.
Some of the dreamers on the selling side may be asking above the market average price but they may also know they have an above average car and demanding that higher price. It is a market but these aren't stocks -- not every one of them is the same with another.
I agree 100%.
I was just testing (hence "feeler") the market demand. It has spoken. I am a dreamer. That's fine. The car is still worth much more to me than what the "market value" is. The GT3 is the only other car I would consider, but I can also wait.
Looking at what's available these days, there really isn't anything under 60k that even remotely tickles my fancy:
- M4/M3 = Boring, uninspiring
- M2 = Just a smaller much uglier M4
- Shelby 350 = $60k+ 3,700 lb Fiesta with a flat plane crank
#815
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I suspected the same yet this is the 3rd one ive seen in the last month or two for about the same price, under $40K. (this is a theft recovery though so...)There was even a twinky like this at a P dealer CPO with 45k miles for $43K so i'm thinking people don't like this color as much as I do.
10K discount for green ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=131661261394
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=131661261394
Also, seems like the demand is for black/black, which I don't get.
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Low mileage 997.1 Turbo w/Tiptronic at Carmax.
Black w/full black leather. No sport chrono, and has some aftermarket exhaust system on it.
https://www.carmax.com/car/13808476?...%20content=DSK
Black w/full black leather. No sport chrono, and has some aftermarket exhaust system on it.
https://www.carmax.com/car/13808476?...%20content=DSK
#817
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Bought my 2009 Porsche Racing Green C2S from an Atlanta dealer 3 years ago CPO with 18k at least $10K under market. I get lots of positive comments about the color since it is fairly rare and attractive to other folks besides me!
Also, seems like the demand is for black/black, which I don't get.
Also, seems like the demand is for black/black, which I don't get.
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Albeit, It was a manual. So even more rare for a 997.2.
Personally, black is my least favorite color, but if it was the right color combo. I would shell out ~60k for a clean low mileage 997.2 C2S.
I don't understand why people think these prices are ridiculous. The 997.2 is a refined masterpiece. Arguably the most balanced all-around 911 that will ever be made. There is a HIGH demand for 997's, and there is short supply. Economics 101.
To me a sucker is someone who shells out ~$60k+ for a 3,700 lb $48k Mustang with matching Fiesta interior. Not someone who picks up a classic six figure German masterpiece for damn near half price. But to each their own...
Personally, black is my least favorite color, but if it was the right color combo. I would shell out ~60k for a clean low mileage 997.2 C2S.
I don't understand why people think these prices are ridiculous. The 997.2 is a refined masterpiece. Arguably the most balanced all-around 911 that will ever be made. There is a HIGH demand for 997's, and there is short supply. Economics 101.
To me a sucker is someone who shells out ~$60k+ for a 3,700 lb $48k Mustang with matching Fiesta interior. Not someone who picks up a classic six figure German masterpiece for damn near half price. But to each their own...
I agree 100%.
I was just testing (hence "feeler") the market demand. It has spoken. I am a dreamer. That's fine. The car is still worth much more to me than what the "market value" is. The GT3 is the only other car I would consider, but I can also wait.
Looking at what's available these days, there really isn't anything under 60k that even remotely tickles my fancy:
I was just testing (hence "feeler") the market demand. It has spoken. I am a dreamer. That's fine. The car is still worth much more to me than what the "market value" is. The GT3 is the only other car I would consider, but I can also wait.
Looking at what's available these days, there really isn't anything under 60k that even remotely tickles my fancy:
- M4/M3 = Boring, uninspiring
- M2 = Just a smaller much uglier M4
- Shelby 350 = $60k+ 3,700 lb Fiesta with a flat plane crank
I saw a $138K Targa 4S sell for $53K. It was friggin gorgeous. 60K miles but that's Audi S3 territory.
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Bought my 2009 Porsche Racing Green C2S from an Atlanta dealer 3 years ago CPO with 18k at least $10K under market. I get lots of positive comments about the color since it is fairly rare and attractive to other folks besides me!
Also, seems like the demand is for black/black, which I don't get.
Also, seems like the demand is for black/black, which I don't get.
Too bad so many came with sand beige interior. The few with cocoa brown look amazing.
Same goes for Macadamia, Nordic Gold and Malachite Green.
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Can any of you comment on PDK improvements through the 997.2 range? I seem to recall that the first year PDK got an upgrade, but not sure if that was at all prior to the 991 transition (which I know was an improvement itself). Did the later 997.2 PDK get any improvements?
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Albeit, It was a manual. So even more rare for a 997.2... I would shell out ~60k for a clean low mileage 997.2 C2S....I don't understand why people think these prices are ridiculous. The 997.2 is a refined masterpiece. ...There is a HIGH demand for 997's, and there is short supply. Economics 101.
I'm not trying to be negative about your car... It looks nice, checks most of the basic boxes, and would be an awesome very clean (but still PDK) 997.2 at $50,000. At $59K, it will take someone who loves it more than you to overpay significantly just because they can't live without your particular color combo?
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No one is arguing the desirability of a 997.2, just your pricing perspective. Yes, it's low miles and clean. And a color you find desirable... But it is by no means a rare or ultra-desireable 997.2. Things like Aerokit, manual transmission, unique PTS colors, very tastefully and highly optioned cars, Targas, 4S's, etc can significantly bump value.
I'm not trying to be negative about your car... It looks nice, checks most of the basic boxes, and would be an awesome very clean (but still PDK) 997.2 at $50,000. At $59K, it will take someone who loves it more than you to overpay significantly just because they can't live without your particular color combo?
I'm not trying to be negative about your car... It looks nice, checks most of the basic boxes, and would be an awesome very clean (but still PDK) 997.2 at $50,000. At $59K, it will take someone who loves it more than you to overpay significantly just because they can't live without your particular color combo?
No argument here. Like I said, to each their own. Personally, the quintessential 911 is a C2S. Rear wheel drive. Light weight. Normally aspirated flat 6. No unnecessary weight adders with clean classic lines.
I'm sure they are others who feel the same, and others who disagree
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#823
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Albeit, It was a manual. So even more rare for a 997.2.
Personally, black is my least favorite color, but if it was the right color combo. I would shell out ~60k for a clean low mileage 997.2 C2S.
I don't understand why people think these prices are ridiculous. The 997.2 is a refined masterpiece. Arguably the most balanced all-around 911 that will ever be made. There is a HIGH demand for 997's, and there is short supply. Economics 101.
To me a sucker is someone who shells out ~$60k+ for a 3,700 lb $48k Mustang with matching Fiesta interior. Not someone who picks up a classic six figure German masterpiece for damn near half price. But to each their own...
Personally, black is my least favorite color, but if it was the right color combo. I would shell out ~60k for a clean low mileage 997.2 C2S.
I don't understand why people think these prices are ridiculous. The 997.2 is a refined masterpiece. Arguably the most balanced all-around 911 that will ever be made. There is a HIGH demand for 997's, and there is short supply. Economics 101.
To me a sucker is someone who shells out ~$60k+ for a 3,700 lb $48k Mustang with matching Fiesta interior. Not someone who picks up a classic six figure German masterpiece for damn near half price. But to each their own...
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Getting back on track with 997 dealz 😜 here is a well priced (IMO) '12 C4S that looks gorgeous in pics. It's OBO as well.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/332181806638
https://www.ebay.com/itm/332181806638
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No offense but you're an idiot - the Shelby GT350 comes equipped with a 8,250 rpm 526hp flat plane crank n/a masterpiece of an engine, stunning looks, excellent suspension and easily one of the top 10 greatest sports coupes made in the last 25 years. Let me know when the Germans offer something on this level. I wouldn't hold my breath. Why do you think all the gear heads in Germany are begging Ford to export this car? They're stuck with that neat turbo M4 instead.
I wasn't impressed at all. Seat sits high like a truck. Clutch way too light. Gearbox is meh. You can feel the 3,700 lbs, albeit, I admit they do a decent job masking the weight with the suspension tune. The interior is just way too Fiesta for me. I don't care if they put a Ferrari V12 under the hood. It's overhyped, and overpriced. Unless you just want to go fast at the track. Then it's a bargain. I would pick up a Golf R before I ever dropped $60k on a fast Ford Fiesta. But again, to each their own.