raidersfan

A Non-manual driving spouse sounds like grounds for marriage counseling! Mine seems to complain about anything that we could purchase that only has 2 pedals, although she drove a PDK last week and didn't hate it as much as she thought she would. Must have had something to do with the stop-and-go traffic.

pfbz

As much as I personally prefer a three pedal fully manual car, calling a PDK an 'automatic' and lumping it with, say, the Tiptronic is really doing it a disservice IMHO.

1FlossedM3

Wife can drive manual, I have more concerns she will put it into a guard rail however.

linderpat

This one will be an interesting one to watch. A base 997.1, with no mods, and a tip. I think it looks like a very nice car, but will show what the bottom of the depreciation curve looks like. Linky: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...911-carrera-5/

pfbz

Stripper, Tipper, high mileage, no records, and non S... It better go cheap! But dealer owned, so I'm betting either someone overpays or reserve not met.

robroy72

Carfax shows that the owner sold it a couple of months after the accident; I think that'd concern me.

ChristyT

In case anyone is interested, I looked into this 997.1 4S, as we are contemplating getting a 997. Buyer "came down" to $41,500, and after the PPI, dropped again to $40,000. Unfortunately, the PPI bill was $7,000. I passed, but I assume I made the right choice? This car doesn't seem like a $47,000 car from a private party seller. Originally he said it has the X51 power kit (which is super rare, there was one for sale over on the Bring a Trailer site recently) but that wasn't the case when looking at these pictures. The mechanic liked it, but was very matter-of-fact that the repairs should be fully discounted from the purchase price. Nice build: GT Silver, full leather, manual, Sport Chrono, 2008 4S.

Here is the car:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/c...448457485.html

srcn

I smell a fish.

I ran that VIN and got a car with an MSRP of $106k, but the ad says $120k. Though it makes sense if he was trying to claim in came with the PowerKit...$14k difference is the price of PowerKit.

SlickOne

ChristyT

Belts, pulleys, tensioners, filters, battery, battery cables-wiring harnesses, clutch, RMS, tires, service. Brakes are good though. The mechanic liked the car, assuming it was brought up to date on service; he said both engine and tranny were strong and as they should be. I suppose caveat emptor applies, especially on CL cars.

ChristyT

It wasn't really clear how it came to be that he had a powerkit: neither the build nor the pics show it. It is pretty distinctive; anyone will note the sport exhaust tip offset and carbon intake. If the selling dealer claimed it had one or provided a false build sheet (Porsche Bellevue); that is fraud. Perhaps a previous owner threw on X51 headers and somebody called it an X51 kit, but the PPI didn't note anything, and a build sheet and certificate of authenticity is almost always provided by any Porsche dealer.

Oregonian

Curious as to your thoughts- at a purchase price of $40k plus $7k service/maint to bring it up to speed mechanically for a total of $47k it still doesn't sound too bad? I guess that depends on a few other factors: the mileage, the issue of the X-51 kit, and how the car stacks up from a cosmetic standpoint.

pfbz

A few thoughts...

On the Sellers side, one would hope he (or she) is just clueless about the powerkit and original purchase price of the car rather than actively misrepresenting it, but it would definitely put me on high alert for other possible misrepresentations...

On the PPI side, Porsche's can be very expensive to roll into a shop and say 'fix whatever it needs'... If you posted the full ppi info, we could give you a better sense, but 'belts, pulleys, idlers, filters, battery' is all pretty common 60K maintenance stuff, and probably under $600 in parts and well within the capabilities of most weekend mechanics. I'd assume plugs and coils as well, along with a brake flush etc. Same with tires, $1,000+, but just a normal wear item. Clutch and RMS a bit bigger job, more $ and a bit too difficult for most weekend mechanics. Just make sure you don't have a PPI shop trying to drum up business vs. giving you an truly accurate snapshot of the car.

Did they check for over-revs? Stored error codes? Paint or body repair work?

Hows the interior and exterior condition? I've seen 50K mile 911's that look damn near showroom, and others that I wouldn't buy for half their owners asking prices...

jp.randall

$47k seems like the top end for a .1 C4S, especially private party. At 50k miles, that would be a no stories, well maintained, excellent cosmetic condition vehicle. Depending on cosmetics and faith in the PPI, I'd think the right price is somewhere at or below $37k.

ChristyT

Sure, I hear you. I won't post the actual PPI as the car is not "mine" but here is a snapshot. This was from arguably the best shop in the Puget Sound area. I double checked pricing with another shop: they were saying close to $6k.

Needs full 40k service; belts are loud and there is play in the pulleys. Filters really dirty: has this ever had a full service?
Tires are from 2006 (winters) and installed backwards
RMS seeping. Recommend doing the clutch at the same time,
Fault codes, mostly a problem with low voltage. Front and rear wiring harnesses are bad, battery needs to be replaced. Expect that error codes will not be present with electrical system fixed.
Dent in driver's side door that will require body work, a few scratches on the rear of the car. Overall clean for the mileage. Interior clean.
Drivability: car drives well. Solid overall. Would recommend purchase if problems repaired or price adjusted accordingly.
No over-revs.