GOODYE PORSCHE. I WISH I COULD SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN NICE
03-25-2010, 02:12 AM
#107
Three Wheelin'
I wholehearlty agree. But the hit to switch out now for myself is too great...
What i have learned about Porsche is its not a BMW. its not as reliable, and its definitely not as smooth. But with those two tradeoffs, i also have a spunky car that is fast as hell, likes to burn oil like theres no tomorrow, and gets lots of looks. And its fun to drive.
I guess I came to the realization you can't have everythign in life. BMW's m3 wouldn't have been as brash. But i am learning the 911 is an aquired taste. I alsmot sold the car 6 months into the problems. But i have learned to accept the faults and try and see the positives. believe me, its not easy some days, but on that day when the stars align, this is a beast of a car. A true sports car.
What i have learned about Porsche is its not a BMW. its not as reliable, and its definitely not as smooth. But with those two tradeoffs, i also have a spunky car that is fast as hell, likes to burn oil like theres no tomorrow, and gets lots of looks. And its fun to drive.
I guess I came to the realization you can't have everythign in life. BMW's m3 wouldn't have been as brash. But i am learning the 911 is an aquired taste. I alsmot sold the car 6 months into the problems. But i have learned to accept the faults and try and see the positives. believe me, its not easy some days, but on that day when the stars align, this is a beast of a car. A true sports car.
There was no acquired taste, or if there was, I had acquired it ages ago and had simply failed to satisfy it. Smooth - no - thank God, reliable - apparently the '07s are, hope mine is too. I sometimes miss the BMW trunk and the Logic7 - that's it - OK, maybe the Roundel too - that's a cool badge. When I look in the garage...I am only embarrassed because I still do it too often and for no good reason.
Speaking of spelling errors - and I'm a crap typist and not an ace speller either (acquired has a c and a q - who knew?) - there's that Google Toolbar with the "ABC Check"...and it burns no oil and does not soot up my keyboard.
03-25-2010, 09:56 AM
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It's different for different people - I had driven nothing but BMWs for the last 24 years - and I really enjoyed most of them...and a few I loved. My biggest worry when buying this car - or any car not a BMW - was buyer's remorse; like oh no, what have I done when I wake up in the morning and look in my garage.
There was no acquired taste, or if there was, I had acquired it ages ago and had simply failed to satisfy it. Smooth - no - thank God, reliable - apparently the '07s are, hope mine is too. I sometimes miss the BMW trunk and the Logic7 - that's it - OK, maybe the Roundel too - that's a cool badge. When I look in the garage...I am only embarrassed because I still do it too often and for no good reason.
Speaking of spelling errors - and I'm a crap typist and not an ace speller either (acquired has a c and a q - who knew?) - there's that Google Toolbar with the "ABC Check"...and it burns no oil and does not soot up my keyboard.
There was no acquired taste, or if there was, I had acquired it ages ago and had simply failed to satisfy it. Smooth - no - thank God, reliable - apparently the '07s are, hope mine is too. I sometimes miss the BMW trunk and the Logic7 - that's it - OK, maybe the Roundel too - that's a cool badge. When I look in the garage...I am only embarrassed because I still do it too often and for no good reason.
Speaking of spelling errors - and I'm a crap typist and not an ace speller either (acquired has a c and a q - who knew?) - there's that Google Toolbar with the "ABC Check"...and it burns no oil and does not soot up my keyboard.
Porsche is a great, fast car. But I still feel the real innovations in cars are happening at other car makes. Thing I liked about the 911 is it was mostly old school. With the exception of PDK, and the interface, you are basically driving a car thats been around for years!
03-25-2010, 10:14 AM
#109
Race Director
Porsche 911 have over 500 precision welds on their 18 gauge, cathodic primed, steel body with McPherson strut and coil over damper multilink steel and aluminum suspension.
Corvettes are plastic sheet molded compound bodies with plastic leaf spring suspension.
Should we go on?
Corvette Z06? Very Fast car.
Casio G-Shock Waveceptor? Very Accurate watch.
Get the picture?
Corvettes are plastic sheet molded compound bodies with plastic leaf spring suspension.
Should we go on?
Corvette Z06? Very Fast car.
Casio G-Shock Waveceptor? Very Accurate watch.
Get the picture?
A base corvette costs less than HALF as much of a base 997. It delivers significantly higher performance in almost every category. Of course its going to be cheaper in certain areas.
However, considering we are talking about what are, or at least used to be, pure sports cars, its hard to argue with a corvette.
Your watch analogy is a good one. A casio G-shock will be more accurate than even a $300,000 Patek Phillipe, will last as long, will need fewer repairs, and has far more functionality. Most people who buy high end cars or watches realize that a large part of why you buy it is the name, the prestige, and the "jewelry" aspect to it.
A base corvette is a higher performing car than even a Carrera S. You can prefer the 911, but to talk trash about a corvette is entirely foolish.
03-25-2010, 10:51 AM
#110
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OOOOO, not 500 welds!!!! With precision even!!!!
A base corvette costs less than HALF as much of a base 997. It delivers significantly higher performance in almost every category. Of course its going to be cheaper in certain areas.
However, considering we are talking about what are, or at least used to be, pure sports cars, its hard to argue with a corvette.
Your watch analogy is a good one. A casio G-shock will be more accurate than even a $300,000 Patek Phillipe, will last as long, will need fewer repairs, and has far more functionality. Most people who buy high end cars or watches realize that a large part of why you buy it is the name, the prestige, and the "jewelry" aspect to it.
A base corvette is a higher performing car than even a Carrera S. You can prefer the 911, but to talk trash about a corvette is entirely foolish.
A base corvette costs less than HALF as much of a base 997. It delivers significantly higher performance in almost every category. Of course its going to be cheaper in certain areas.
However, considering we are talking about what are, or at least used to be, pure sports cars, its hard to argue with a corvette.
Your watch analogy is a good one. A casio G-shock will be more accurate than even a $300,000 Patek Phillipe, will last as long, will need fewer repairs, and has far more functionality. Most people who buy high end cars or watches realize that a large part of why you buy it is the name, the prestige, and the "jewelry" aspect to it.
A base corvette is a higher performing car than even a Carrera S. You can prefer the 911, but to talk trash about a corvette is entirely foolish.
Mark
03-25-2010, 11:13 AM
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To the OP :
I feel your pain and there is no doubt if I bought a $ 109k car and it burned a quart of oil every 500 miles that I would also get rid of it and never buy that brand again. I walked into 10 offices at my firm and asked 10 different people who drive high end cars and each one said they would do the same thing.
Enough said.
I feel your pain and there is no doubt if I bought a $ 109k car and it burned a quart of oil every 500 miles that I would also get rid of it and never buy that brand again. I walked into 10 offices at my firm and asked 10 different people who drive high end cars and each one said they would do the same thing.
Enough said.
03-25-2010, 11:33 AM
#112
Ronnie, good luck with the new 'vette.
I hear ya. Oil consumption like you've been seeing would spoil the ownership experience for me too. That damn car is thirsty.
Some poor guy is gonna buy that car CPO and then HIS Porsche dream is going to start crumbling.
Maybe the only humane thing to do is to total that bitch and put out of all our misery.
Phil
03-25-2010, 12:15 PM
#113
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03-28-2010, 10:57 PM
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03-29-2010, 07:25 PM
#117
Bottom line is that all cars can and will have problems. Case in point, my buddy bought his wife a BMW 335i, less than a year old now and the paint is peeing off the hood and roof like the old Chrysler K cars. They have had a multitude of electronic glitches, car won't start, windows won't roll back up, etc. They are very disappointed. I don't think all BMW's are bad though.
I had a couple of C5 Z06 vettes too. Awesome cars, lot' of fun, but I'll never forget showing off my 405 hp 03 engine to a die hard Euro car friend. Had the hood up showing him my recently detailed engine, when out of nowhere, a screw came loose and tinked, tinkled, tinked all the way down to the garage floor. I was so embarassed. He didn't say a word but I've never forgotten the smug look on his face. That was my last vette. I don't think all vettes are bad though.
I'm on my 3rd Porsche now, a Cayman S, Carrera S, and now a 10 GT3. Nary a problem, never used any oil in any of them either. If it's luck I'll take it, but I think there is something else going on. Consistent quality across 3 models/model years. I don't think that all Porsches are perfect though.
I had a couple of C5 Z06 vettes too. Awesome cars, lot' of fun, but I'll never forget showing off my 405 hp 03 engine to a die hard Euro car friend. Had the hood up showing him my recently detailed engine, when out of nowhere, a screw came loose and tinked, tinkled, tinked all the way down to the garage floor. I was so embarassed. He didn't say a word but I've never forgotten the smug look on his face. That was my last vette. I don't think all vettes are bad though.
I'm on my 3rd Porsche now, a Cayman S, Carrera S, and now a 10 GT3. Nary a problem, never used any oil in any of them either. If it's luck I'll take it, but I think there is something else going on. Consistent quality across 3 models/model years. I don't think that all Porsches are perfect though.
03-29-2010, 11:07 PM
#118
I waited a long time for this car and I'm getting getting physically ill following this thread....
03-30-2010, 02:57 AM
#119
Pro
Hmmm....i also have a 2009 C2S cab, and have experienced the high oil consumption, burning smell, HPFP failure, and PDK control module replacement. Still happy with it, though. Something about it made me put up with its faults. 
03-30-2010, 04:46 PM
#120
Drifting
Bottom line is that all cars can and will have problems. Case in point, my buddy bought his wife a BMW 335i, less than a year old now and the paint is peeing off the hood and roof like the old Chrysler K cars. They have had a multitude of electronic glitches, car won't start, windows won't roll back up, etc. They are very disappointed. I don't think all BMW's are bad though.