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Boxster joke was from years ago. Some member made fun of Boxster calling it woman's car.
I had a MT Boxster I bought in LA years ago. Like a little go kart.
I never understood the jokes about the Boxster being a secretaries car. I paid $62K for mine in 2000... those are some pretty highly compensated secretaries out there.
Stereotypes are often wrong. The instinctive need some have to deny the qualities of a good auto tranny often with an undercurrent of manhood reaffirmation is just silly. Those who continually state that a PDK is just a non-involving auto have no clue about it.
Some of us have decades of experience with manual trannies, including 901s and 915s, which most today would not be able to shift (properly), and also have PDK, acquired not as a compromise or to deal with a physical limitation, but for its unique and real qualities.
We live in a polarized world that makes no sense. The urge to belong to A and abhor (or anhilate) B is primal and senseless.
One other thing I looked at was longevity, I plan on keeping mine for the rest of my life. There's a lot of guys here with really nice .2 cars they probably would never sell unless it was big money. I'm 36. Hopefully not, but I imagine the engine would need a rebuild at some point like most porsches. That gets pricey, and I'd hate to have to pair that with replacing a PDK when I'm 50 or 60 and should be worried about retiring, Again, my scenario and logic.
Are you planning on keeping it or getting rid of it at some point? You nailed it in the last comment what exactly are the needs?
Keeping for life. All cars will need something, and basically anything over 30-40 yrs old will need some level of restoration. Life is pricey and short.
Porsche fixed it in later years. My 2018 Macan GTS has much snappier paddles with a shorter throw and better tactile feel. Night and day difference compared to my 2009 steering wheel, although I still prefer the paddles on my ’09 Sport Design wheel about 1000fold more than my previous original wheel with the button shifters.
Good info. Thx. Didn't know that. The latest PDK version I drove was an early 991 and it was just as bad as the earlier ones on the 997's. And I agree completely about the paddles over the buttons. I'll take the sloppy original paddles any day over the buttons.
Originally Posted by jbkusa
I prefer manual over PDK but my PDK has been flawless. (2009 C4S with 81.5k mikes) I am out of warranty now so there is always that little fear in the back of my head that if it breaks… it might be a dramatic event for my wallet! Preventive maintenance is my insurance now. Gotta pay to play!
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Yes, it's expensive when it happens but the failure rate is very low. About the same as IMS at around 5-6% if memory serves so odds are in your favor big time.
As for preventive maintenance of the PDK, not much you can do other than the regularly scheduled maintenance which as I see it doesn't do much if anything to prevent the rare failures which are close to 100% electronically related based on failure reports including my own. As far as I know, the regularly scheduled maintenance only addresses PDK fluid and sometimes the pan but nothing electronically related which is the weak link. May have missed it but I never heard or read about a mechanical PDK failure.
Originally Posted by Patrick E
Amazing how much they’re in demand now. Huge price differences in manual versions of cars that offered both (e.g. F430, Murcielago).
As I've said before, there are almost two separate markets out there. Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo....take your pick. The majority who have moved on to newer and exciting technology and left the manuals in the dust bag of memories. Then the diehard manuals who end up fighting over an ever dwindling supply of them. So isn't that's the reason for the price premium of manuals over dual clutch boxes? A small segment of buyers fighting over a small segment of cars that every statistic available indicates that the majority want nothing to do with anymore.
If the demand was there and buyers came into dealerships wanting a manual, why did both Ferrari and Lambo stop making them due to lack of demand? And Porsche introduced the PDK almost 14 years ago now and the manual/PDK ratio has remained fairly steady at around 20% manuals vs. 80% PDK. If the manual was more sought after you'd think those numbers would be almost reversed. But they haven't changed since 2009 which at least to me represents a pretty strong and steady trend. They build what sells.
Originally Posted by groovzilla
My 308 was previously owned by Doctor in San Diego who treated it like royalty.
And Sandwedgenot sure if you know or care but most of the 1970's and 1980's Ferrari's have been repainted. Original Lacquer paint checked badly and most owners took to highest end shops for strip & repaint.
That 308 is gorgeous. I assume you sold it and just curious why? And no, I didn't know about the paint issue so thanks for that. Was it just the clear coat that went bad which then ruined the paint or was it bad clear coat/paint all the way?
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Yes, it's expensive when it happens but the failure rate is very low. About the same as IMS at around 5-6% if memory serves so odds are in your favor big time.
As for preventive maintenance of the PDK, not much you can do other than the regularly scheduled maintenance which as I see it doesn't do much if anything to prevent the rare failures which are close to 100% electronically related based on failure reports including my own. As far as I know, the regularly scheduled maintenance only addresses PDK fluid and sometimes the pan but nothing electronically related which is the weak link. May have missed it but I never heard or read about a mechanical PDK failure.
Thanks for the clarification on failure modes. While I knew failure rates are low, I didn’t know they were almost always electronically related.
My 2009 has 61,000 miles with no PDK issues. I would say the only thing I notice is a little clunkier downshifts in sport mode. I’ve had the fluids changed twice so far.
Stereotypes are often wrong. The instinctive need some have to deny the qualities of a good auto tranny often with an undercurrent of manhood reaffirmation is just silly. Those who continually state that a PDK is just a non-involving auto have no clue about it. Some of us have decades of experience with manual trannies, including 901s and 915s, which most today would not be able to shift (properly), and also have PDK, acquired not as a compromise or to deal with a physical limitation, but for its unique and real qualities.
We live in a polarized world that makes no sense. The urge to belong to A and abhor (or anhilate) B is primal and senseless.
Not true ---> Most of us with several decades experience owning/driving the early 911's/911sc's own cars that have had new syncros installed which has to be done on almost all of those transmissions.
But this is common knowledge for those who owned/drive the earlier 911's.
That 308 is gorgeous. I assume you sold it and just curious why? And no, I didn't know about the paint issue so thanks for that. Was it just the clear coat that went bad which then ruined the paint or was it bad clear coat/paint all the way?
The lacquer paint checks all the way down to the primer. Hard to find a 1970's-1980 308 or Testarossa Ferrari that has original paint. 99% of them have been repainted.
Not true ---> Most of us with several decades experience owning/driving the early 911's/911sc's own cars that have had new syncros installed which has to be done on almost all of those transmissions.
But this is common knowledge for those who owned/drive the earlier 911's.
I did NOT mean that the 901s 915s were bad or broken... I meant, most people on this forum would bot be able to shift them properly. And I stand by that.
... I meant, most people on this forum would bot be able to shift them properly. And I stand by that.
...but by all means, don't be polarizing...LOL. None of us with 997s must own older Porsches with manual transmissions, or if we do, can't shift them properly.
...but by all means, don't be polarizing...LOL. None of us with 997s must own older Porsches with manual transmissions, or if we do, can't shift them properly.
The hat does not fit. Most does not mean all. I have personally witnessed many 911 fans trash 915 trannies in test drives and later blame the transmissions. My point is I do not care what people drive and one transmission Is not better/worse than the other. Polarization in the sense that some in this forum or this thread affirm that one transmission is best and the other must be bad - that is what I mean by polarization. I do not put down manuals on behalf of autos or vice versa.
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