groovzilla

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=254591732
^^Amazing in the 100 or so photos not one close up of the center console buttons? But 40 photos of different maps, radio stations on the CM and close ups of the window switches
I'd like to stick in the $75K range for any 991 I go after. And I really prefer the non-glass roof and wouldn't be happy unless I had the metal roof.

And buying from dealer is swerving way off track for me. I'm an advocate of buying private party for a number of important reasons.
1st being price. Saving probably $8-$10K off dealer markup seems like a smart way to go.
2nd is private owner car usually has better documented service history which is very important to me. Trading car in and saving 10.2% tax saves me about 50% of dealer mark up but working in some cash with private party purchase can be alot more beneficial .
A good example of dealer markup is fellow RL member who traded Benz into GP for a 997. The Benz has street trade-in value of $35K but dealer has it marked up to $50K. Someone will probably pay in the mid $40's for the car.
I just really like avoiding a "dealer tax" and deal directly with the private owner of the car.
Only car I've ever bought from used car dealer was my Land Rover. It's been a good beast the past 4 years and dealer gave me nice trade in value on the Mercedes Diesel sedan on trade in.

I'm curious and sending my 997S info to GP dealer to see what they will give me toward a trade in. I'll keep you posted.
I also have to emphasize that the owner of GP Motors Dealer was super nice guy as well as his sister/salesperson and I could see myself getting sucked into a purchase at his shop just in the way I was treated.
It is a extremely nice Dealership and filled with nice Used Porsche's. I'd say 85% of their inventory is Porsche and all the cars looked super nice and clean.
Real candy store for new to Porsche Tech guy with $100K in his pocket out for a stroll. I can see them doing quite well and they sell an awful lot of cars.

Ironman88

That silver 991 posted on CarGurus has been on there for 276 days.

I would imagine the dealer is ready to have it sold.

groovzilla

I don't see the point of buying a 997.2 when I already have a sweet low mileage 997.1
And the more I think about it my 997.1 is such a great example I must be too bored or stupid to be thinking of the 991.

With my 07 997S at 55K miles with perfect silver paint and interior, clean Carfax, w/new clutch/tires/brakes/short shift/upgraded motor mounts/Bluetooth CM/Backup camera/Gundo Hack exhaust and lowered to my happy height, I think I need visit to a shrink.

groovzilla

"Hi this is William from Seattle - I'd like to offer $80K for the 2017 991 which is about $25K overpriced?"
"Click"

Bxstr

I meant for the OP specifically, but in all of our cases, I think that we should enjoy the car we currently have. We all have pretty cool ones. In your case, I think the upgrade to a 991 would only be worth it if you found the right spec. I have a 997 and don't plan to move to a 991. Just too good of a platform.

loungin

If you like your 997 then I don’t see a point in going to 991 or 992 unless it’s something amazing like a GT car or 911R. The Carrera is a good car if you just want a 911 but there’s something endearing about the size and shape of the 997 that’s somehow lacking with the newer cars for me.

Ironman88

This is what Edmunds says:

2017 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 7M) Carrera 4S
Rough Average Clean Outstanding
TRADE-IN $72,170 $76,529 $80,888 $83,068
PRIVATE PARTY $79,920 $84,662 $89,403 $91,774

True Market Value®
Trade-in $83,068
Dealer Retail $101,324
Private Party Sale $91,774
Customized True Market Value Prices® Trade-in
National Base Price $63,076
Optional Equipment $9,656
Color Adjustment - GT Silver Metallic $-16
Regional Adjustment (zip 83709) $-186
Mileage Adjustment - 9000 miles $3,999
Condition Adjustment - Outstanding $6,539 Total $83,068
Private Party
National Base Price $69,778
Optional Equipment $10,680
Color Adjustment - GT Silver Metallic $-17
Regional Adjustment (zip 83709) $-205
Mileage Adjustment - 9000 miles $4,424
Condition Adjustment - Outstanding $7,113 Total $91,774
Dealer Retail
National Base Price $76,757
Optional Equipment $11,751
Color Adjustment - GT Silver Metallic $-19
Regional Adjustment (zip 83709) $-226
Mileage Adjustment - 9000 miles $4,866
Condition Adjustment - Outstanding $8,195 Total $101,324

sandwedge

Isn't the pre-owned market a reflection of what was bought new and therefore also a reflection of customer preference and demand? Which may explain the fuss about manual vs. PDK, How do you make sense of some still insisting that manual cars are worth more than PDK cars ( $4,500 option) outselling manuals at an 80% to 20% ratio?

I couldn't care less which one is worth more than the other. Just don't understand the argument for the manual premium some keep hammering home. Production of a product (pick your product) is reduced rather radically because of lack of demand by consumers and because of less availability the price of that product goes up?

Petza914

Yep, but because the demand for manuals is slightly exceeding the supply of them as MT guys look for replacement cars to their current manuals and the supply of them is now lower because of the shift away from them, it's a simple supply and demand relationship as you say.

Sporty

All good points, I was just thinking out loud. My thought is that there is a % (small?) of people who come into some money, going thru a midlife crisis, newly single, etc that just want a new "Porsche" to show off, so they buy new, primarily PDK and then in a few years move onto something else as they may not really get the bug or just are not P-car enthusiasts. When at the P-car showroom, you can almost pick those customers out, but, I am not judging in a bad way, just saying.

I know of a guy (early 50s), bought a new 991, then went to new Corvette, etc, which works for him, being recently divorced and now has a 26 yr GF smoke show apparently. My son saw him at a restaurant recently and said to me " Dad - I saw Mr. X and he was with this really young looking women/girl, I was trying to look for the Mom but didn't see her " - I laughed and told him, her Mom was not dining with them...lol

Ripking

Consumer preferences for the car as new don’t need to match with enthusiast preferences for that car a decade later. In 09 pdk was innovative tech and people wanted it. For the first time the auto didn’t feel like a hinderance to people and felt exciting while also promising massive performance improvement. Flash forward a decade and now mid tier sport sedans have zf8 speeds that shift faster than most people could dream of and that’s before you even get to dual clutch. It’s normal now and I think enthusiasts now value and demand the manual analog experience. Since they were produced in such fewer numbers they now come at a premium because those of us that have them, aren’t putting them up for sale at the same frequency as pdk owners. They’re something to hold onto. And at ten years out, the market for new 997 owners is largely enthusiast based and so this is why there continues to be a widening gap in pricing between manual and pdk on the .2s.

Ironman88

10 years out, I think the single factor that will drive pricing and value is not the transmission - it will be condition of the car.

Buyers will be looking for a fun escape from mainstream electric vehicles. A 997 in great condition - regardless of transmission, is likely to be highly sought after.

ilovemaui

It appears to me that the used market prefers manual transmissions. I preferred the PDK at the time I purchased mine because I was living in the city. Now that I'm out in the sticks I would probably lean towards a manual. I keep my feelers out for a 997.2 GTS or Turbo. I just like the interior's on the 997.2. Seems to have all the beels and whistles while maintaining the nostagia.

Bxstr

Can always try and find a 997.1 Turbo as well from 2009. Has the updated interior with the Mezger.

groovzilla

Another reality these days is many of these young tech kids like my son making huge money and buying these Porsche have never learned to use a manual transmission.
It's hard to believe that my own son and my daughter have never had an interest in manual shifting and never had a real interest in driving until they turned 19/20.
Of course we live in the city but with these new Uber and Lift Apps many tech kids rather not drive and don't learn how to shift. If they do buy an expensive sports car they want automatic tranny.

Totally different than how I grew up. I couldn't wait to drive and spent countless hours in my young teens starting my dad's VW Rabbit and learning to shift/driving up and down our driveway and couldn't wait to get my license.
Times have changed.