When it rains, it pours - replacing the PDK
02-11-2020, 04:14 PM
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02-11-2020, 05:01 PM
#122
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Picking it up tonight!!! Heres few photos with trans out. New one is in and all is working well im being told. They put 25 miles on it last night with no issues.
and photo from December, the rear end looks so good on these cars.
and photo from December, the rear end looks so good on these cars.
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02-11-2020, 05:18 PM
#123
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Iceter said "Until 2019, both Car and Driver and Road and Track reported malfunctions or breakdowns on every test of an Alfa Romeo since the brand was reintroduced into the US. Some minor, some requiring a rollback. Every test, every model."
Not true. If you want to make sweeping statements make sure they’re accurate]
https://www.caranddriver.com/alfa-romeo/stelvio-2019
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/
And of course you don’t want to mention all the other magazines around the world that did not have problems. Motor Trend I think said it best after giving the Giulia Car of the Year:
“What do people say? Mostly that same old line about Italian-car reliability. If the whole country of Italy wasn't so easygoing, it would have a complex, too. Fact of the matter, though, is my Giulia's been as good or better than the average car in our long-term fleet Every time I mindlessly caressed the big, metal shift paddles, every time I turned the **** to Dynamic mode, every time I whipped around a freeway cloverleaf and dreamed about skipping work and going for a drive in the mountains instead, I remembered why cars like this win awards.”
Iceter said "1 and 2 year-old Alfas litter the market at less than half of their MSRPs, some as low as a third of the original price."
Another untruth. If there’s a 2 year old Alfa selling for ⅓ somewhere show it to me. But you are helping me make my point:
You're a banker, right? If I may ask, what do you do? Think about Boeing. Software issues that will be solved create a buying opportunity. I’m an importer/distributor/retailer. A very successful one who’s company has grown at least 30% per year the last four years. After growing 47% in 2019, we became the largest 2 channel specialist retailer in America. People think it’s because of sales and marketing, and that’s a minor part. It’s mostly because of buying. I find deals for our customers that get them something much better than they thought they could afford.
The regional sales manager for Audioquest just stopped by last week, and he always fawns over my QV after I took him out in it. I told him he could buy one almost new for $43k, and have a 4 year warranty for $2k more. He said “I feel sick. I just paid more than that for a VW Golf R”.
I want a car that INSPIRES me. It’s Porsche and Alfa. For me...doesn’t have to be Bronz, or you. Road and Track summed it up beautifully.https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...an-alfa-romeo/
Bronz got bit. That’s what this thread is about. $40k in repairs. All I did was offer an idea to him. Why you or anybody else would take umbrage to that is baffling. If somebody offers another option I say rock on. It’s so funny to see people becoming so insular and get so wound up.
Doug H said “Who give a Fuuuddgggeee about an Alfa Romeo. Lol, go tout those hunks of junk on an Alfa Romeo site.”
I thought he’d start a chant….LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
Take a chill pill.
ps - Bronz said the price for a refurb is lower now at something like $12k plus labor. While it still sucks, it better than I thought it would be. I hope they continue to think about ALL their customers. Not just fat-cats..
Not true. If you want to make sweeping statements make sure they’re accurate]
https://www.caranddriver.com/alfa-romeo/stelvio-2019
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/
And of course you don’t want to mention all the other magazines around the world that did not have problems. Motor Trend I think said it best after giving the Giulia Car of the Year:
“What do people say? Mostly that same old line about Italian-car reliability. If the whole country of Italy wasn't so easygoing, it would have a complex, too. Fact of the matter, though, is my Giulia's been as good or better than the average car in our long-term fleet Every time I mindlessly caressed the big, metal shift paddles, every time I turned the **** to Dynamic mode, every time I whipped around a freeway cloverleaf and dreamed about skipping work and going for a drive in the mountains instead, I remembered why cars like this win awards.”
Iceter said "1 and 2 year-old Alfas litter the market at less than half of their MSRPs, some as low as a third of the original price."
Another untruth. If there’s a 2 year old Alfa selling for ⅓ somewhere show it to me. But you are helping me make my point:
You're a banker, right? If I may ask, what do you do? Think about Boeing. Software issues that will be solved create a buying opportunity. I’m an importer/distributor/retailer. A very successful one who’s company has grown at least 30% per year the last four years. After growing 47% in 2019, we became the largest 2 channel specialist retailer in America. People think it’s because of sales and marketing, and that’s a minor part. It’s mostly because of buying. I find deals for our customers that get them something much better than they thought they could afford.
The regional sales manager for Audioquest just stopped by last week, and he always fawns over my QV after I took him out in it. I told him he could buy one almost new for $43k, and have a 4 year warranty for $2k more. He said “I feel sick. I just paid more than that for a VW Golf R”.
I want a car that INSPIRES me. It’s Porsche and Alfa. For me...doesn’t have to be Bronz, or you. Road and Track summed it up beautifully.https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...an-alfa-romeo/
Bronz got bit. That’s what this thread is about. $40k in repairs. All I did was offer an idea to him. Why you or anybody else would take umbrage to that is baffling. If somebody offers another option I say rock on. It’s so funny to see people becoming so insular and get so wound up.
Doug H said “Who give a Fuuuddgggeee about an Alfa Romeo. Lol, go tout those hunks of junk on an Alfa Romeo site.”
I thought he’d start a chant….LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
Take a chill pill.
ps - Bronz said the price for a refurb is lower now at something like $12k plus labor. While it still sucks, it better than I thought it would be. I hope they continue to think about ALL their customers. Not just fat-cats..
I have a pair of Goldenear Triton Ones, so what do you make of the recent acquisition and the future of my loudspeaker investment?
02-11-2020, 05:37 PM
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02-11-2020, 05:55 PM
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Oh man, while you had the tranny out, it could've been a great opportunity to put in that Vonnen Shadow Drive unit into it. Looks like KMR is in your neighborhood and like they say, in for a penny, in for a pound.
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02-11-2020, 05:59 PM
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Oh man i didnt even know this existed. How much does something like that go far? Have you ever seen one done? I just looked for 1 minute but ill look into it further, looks like an interesting product.
02-11-2020, 06:06 PM
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You're in good shape. I know Sandy Gross, the founder of GoldenEar as he likes PrimaLuna amplification so we've done shows together. I'm one of the people that founded PrimaLuna. He wants to retire and I don't blame him. All the old guard are either retiring or dying.
Audioquest bought the company and they are VERY capable and they do a SUPERB job. Bill Lowe, Audioquest's founder, is very smart because he hires the best talent. When they got into power conditioners he hired away Garth Powell from Furman. It's nowhere but up!
Congrats. Fun stuff.
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02-11-2020, 08:24 PM
#129
Happy to see your car is ready. Get it out and enjoy.
Is that Vonnen shadow drive actually a viable retrofit to a 997?
Is that Vonnen shadow drive actually a viable retrofit to a 997?
02-11-2020, 09:09 PM
#130
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YIKES!!! $75k!!!! But JESUS it's amazing! What keeps the battery charged? Just the alternator?
Congratulations Bronz. I was so pissed at my car a couple years ago, and now it's nothing but love!
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02-12-2020, 02:44 AM
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Yeah, looks like OP elected to go to an Independent shop to handle this issue where you stand absolutely zero chance of getting any discount, goodwill or help on a repair such as this.
A dealership will quote you full price for something like this over the phone or at first in person, but should work with a customer who says and does the right things from that point forward. The other pdk replacement we are both talking about came in below $10k and included a free loaner Macan at an Illinois Porsche dealership.
I, without a doubt, would get goodwill discount on something like this because I have long established relationships with dealerships and PCNA from purchasing many new Porsches of all kinds over the years. I might pay a little more for certain services and small stuff, but I can say without any hesitationthat I have had 6 figures of work and parts covered through goodwill over the years from giving dealerships my business on the smaller stuff.
PCNA can actually be super great to work with you if you appear to be a loyal customer that keeps your car well maintained.
A dealership will quote you full price for something like this over the phone or at first in person, but should work with a customer who says and does the right things from that point forward. The other pdk replacement we are both talking about came in below $10k and included a free loaner Macan at an Illinois Porsche dealership.
I, without a doubt, would get goodwill discount on something like this because I have long established relationships with dealerships and PCNA from purchasing many new Porsches of all kinds over the years. I might pay a little more for certain services and small stuff, but I can say without any hesitationthat I have had 6 figures of work and parts covered through goodwill over the years from giving dealerships my business on the smaller stuff.
PCNA can actually be super great to work with you if you appear to be a loyal customer that keeps your car well maintained.
02-12-2020, 10:16 AM
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Well when i got the bore scoring, i shot an email to PCNA and i pretty much got a response asking who am i? Theyre not showing me in their database since ive never bought a brand new Porsche and theres nothing they could do outside of warranty period.
I guess i could have shopped around, but im pretty happy with the choice i made. The transmission that was installed in my car came from a late 997.2 (2011) so at least its not the first years PDK like my original was. I dont know if there were any changes internally from 2009 vs 2011. We also installed a new flex disc (guibo) as the old one was starting to crack. Check yours! Its an easy DIY and might get rid of any slop you might have in your drivetrain. Its only $60 part.
I put 60 miles on the car last night and its a blast to drive. I will really miss this car if i sell it, but will not be letting it go for less than what i think its worth. If it doesnt sell, i will gladly keep it.
I guess i could have shopped around, but im pretty happy with the choice i made. The transmission that was installed in my car came from a late 997.2 (2011) so at least its not the first years PDK like my original was. I dont know if there were any changes internally from 2009 vs 2011. We also installed a new flex disc (guibo) as the old one was starting to crack. Check yours! Its an easy DIY and might get rid of any slop you might have in your drivetrain. Its only $60 part.
I put 60 miles on the car last night and its a blast to drive. I will really miss this car if i sell it, but will not be letting it go for less than what i think its worth. If it doesnt sell, i will gladly keep it.
Not only zero chance of any goodwill, rebate or help otherwise in keeping cost under control but do indys even have access to factory rebuilt PDK's with a 2 year factory warranty? Even if they do, like you said, with a history as a loyal customer who takes care of maintenance when it's due I bet you'll come out ahead going through a dealership with a PDK replacement.
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02-12-2020, 10:22 AM
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02-12-2020, 10:49 AM
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Well when i got the bore scoring, i shot an email to PCNA and i pretty much got a response asking who am i? Theyre not showing me in their database since ive never bought a brand new Porsche and theres nothing they could do outside of warranty period.
I guess i could have shopped around, but im pretty happy with the choice i made. The transmission that was installed in my car came from a late 997.2 (2011) so at least its not the first years PDK like my original was. I dont know if there were any changes internally from 2009 vs 2011. We also installed a new flex disc (guibo) as the old one was starting to crack. Check yours! Its an easy DIY and might get rid of any slop you might have in your drivetrain. Its only $60 part.
I put 60 miles on the car last night and its a blast to drive. I will really miss this car if i sell it, but will not be letting it go for less than what i think its worth. If it doesnt sell, i will gladly keep it.
I guess i could have shopped around, but im pretty happy with the choice i made. The transmission that was installed in my car came from a late 997.2 (2011) so at least its not the first years PDK like my original was. I dont know if there were any changes internally from 2009 vs 2011. We also installed a new flex disc (guibo) as the old one was starting to crack. Check yours! Its an easy DIY and might get rid of any slop you might have in your drivetrain. Its only $60 part.
I put 60 miles on the car last night and its a blast to drive. I will really miss this car if i sell it, but will not be letting it go for less than what i think its worth. If it doesnt sell, i will gladly keep it.
You kind of did the bore scoring process backwards though. Always start out with a dealership if you have done any business with them in the past. Some I have dealt with can and will go to bat for you with PCNA. The call to PCNA is the second step if you are meeting resistance. Dealerships also apparently have a certain amount of goodwill to use for loyal customers as well.
Phone call is always better than an email. No telling who responds to the emails.