Kevinmacd

FYI - the NHTSA is looking into the GT! engine coolant pipes leaking. It has been reported that the GT! engine can have the pipe failures and cause a car to go out of control., as discussed on this forum.
This could lead to a recall. Will have to see how far this progresses

http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/for...195406186.html

JG 996T

"There were 10 complaints by Porsche owners with the federal agency. One of the complaints claims that spilled coolant caused loss of rear tire traction, leading to a spin-out by the Porsche 911 that ended up off the road it was traveling on."

We gotta get this number up !

Dock

How many more accidents do you think there were?

Kevinmacd

As much as I agree that more incidents provide more visibility , but to be honest, I really don't want to be part of the statistic!

JG 996T

I have no idea how many accidents there were. Article doesn't say that the agency is investigating "accidents". My comment relates to increasing the number of complaints to the federal agency about coolant line failures, not accidents.

There is a GT1 coolant line failure thread. https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...-registry.html. And several additional threads devoted to the topic. e.g. NHTA investigation.

Again, I didn't take the time to tally the number of failures, but I would think there have been more than 10.

Dock

How many failures were because of the wear and tear of tracking the car?

adam_

Uh, let me try and answer that: zero.

The failures were due to inadequate assembly methods.

Dont confuse the slice of the population of current owners and users on car websites with a true sampling of the overall population of cars that would speak to cause and effect.

I expect that once their is a formal investigation, PCNA must now truthfully report repair records from their internal systems, warranty or otherwise. We'll not see it, but regulators will.

We shall see.

Whats the cost estimate if they do demand a recall? And what is the fix??? Just a redo? Or will PCNA develop a cheaper fix as part of the recall?

928drvr86.5

How could there be a cheaper fix when the lion's share of the cost in repairing this issue stems from the labor involved in removing the engine to gain access to the coolant lines in question?

I'm starting to read-up more on this issue to determine how common it really is.

Kevinmacd

I really think its not so much assembly methods but the sealing epoxy breakdown from heat. Personally my feelings is that all GT1 engines have a chance for this failure, since the same material is used at assembly. for more than 5 years. I am sure that maybe not a high number of catastrophic failures have occurred, but i bet there have been leaks detected at the specific weak areas, and the parts were replaced, prior to any major failure. Hopefully repair records will show that!

jumper5836

996 GT3's have been doing this for a long time and frequently. Haven't seen it happen on a Turbo but I have heard of hoses splitting after they were pinned.

Gofishracing

Gentlemen- they all will fail. Take some time to see other threads on Rennlist. All the Mezger engines will be included. formal Investigation- Ask me how I know

Dock

Sources/proof please.

Gofishracing

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=180050212
from NHTSA
Bob
An investigation is officially open and now on our public website, wwwsafercar.gov, investigation number PE13009. The opening statement lists 10 reports to us which is a snapshot at the time the official paperwork started through the approval process and then there is a delay of 72 hours before it goes public to allow the manufacturer to get up to speed.

mdkelly1

It can happen with GT1 engined Turbos (see post #40 below), and without warning.

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-...s-nhtsa-3.html

kcal

It seems like that, if there is a recall for free repair, it only applies to cars within 10 years old. Mine is 2001. By definition, it might not be included.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallprocess.cfm