Installed V-Flow Intake, Now in Limp Mode.
#106
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
I think if you post information, or lack of it, you should have the bare minimun information regarding that dyno pull...
#107
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Originally Posted by Dock
You missed the point...the RMS issue is engineering/quality control, and it's related to my MAF question.
#108
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Originally Posted by Dock
I gave you what I consider to be the "bare minimum information".
#109
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
No, you missed the point. The MAF problem regarding the V-flow, in many cases was created and/or related to the introduction of the V-flow. The RMS issue was not the result of any aftermarket product.
-You asked me if I agreed with you that the V-Flow had issues.
-I posed a question that included this..."say it's just because of a quality control issue with the MAF".
-You said you "give up" (which has not been true), and implied that the V-Flow issue was because of... " Porsche substandard engineering" (with regard to the MAF)...to me it was somewhat sarcastic, or a "yea right" reply.
-I replied by asking you about the RMS problems with two Porsche models, because the crux of my questions is to show that Porsche does not build perfectly performing cars. They had either poor engineering and/or poor quality control with regard to the RMS. If this is true, and I believe it is, then it stands to reason that they could also have similar engineering/quality control problems with the MAF. If Porsche has produced MAF units with varying quality, and it could be shown that the V-Flow causes problems when use with the substandard units, then the V-Flow is not the problem...its the substandard MAF that is the problem.
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Show me that the V-Flow did not work when properly installed on a Turbo that had all OEM parts, with those OEM parts built to and performing up to Porsche's original specifications, and I'll say the V-Flow has problems. Until then...we don't know.
#110
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
I think you like to argue for the sake of argument...
Oh, and there's another single line quote...but then again, words mean things, and the quote above is the only thing I want to reply to right now. How is that a problem?
#111
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Originally Posted by Dock
If this is true, and I believe it is, then it stands to reason that they could also have similar engineering/quality control problems with the MAF. If Porsche has produced MAF units with varying quality, and it could be shown that the V-Flow causes problems when use with the substandard units, then the V-Flow is not the problem...its the substandard MAF that is the problem.
The MAF/CEL issue cannot be compared to the RMS issue. Yes, Porsche isn't perfect. I don't know of any car manufacturer that is, but as far as complaints for new vehicles, Porsche just took the number 1 spot away from Lexus, having the least amount of complaints per vehicle. I am in no way a cheerleader for Porsche, they can and have built some cars that I wouldn't touch. I would only and have only, purchased Gt models, but the MAF/CEL issues have been, in certain cases, directly related to aftermarket products.
I noticed you didn't address my "unofficial" EVO dyno. It show's only a maximum 6 hp gain, which is an almost unmeasurable number on any dyno. That's why I wouldn't buy it. The mechanical issues are a sidebar.
Your method of debate would be objected to in a formal setting. You have to argue and respond to the entire response. The pick and choose/opinion response doesn't rebut the original topic/argument. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I believe it does not deliver any additonal hp, you do. Geez, I usually get paid to argue like this Dock.
Last edited by 9Eleven; 09-17-2006 at 10:52 PM.
#112
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
I noticed you didn't address my "unofficial" EVO dyno. It show's only a maximum 6 hp gain which is an almost unmeasurable number on any dyno.
Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Your method of debate would be objected to in formal setting. You have to argue and respond to the entire response.
Originally Posted by 9Eleven
There are alot of "if's" in your reply.
#113
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
My, "You win Dock." was a sarcastic response. My apologies for any miscommunication.
Originally Posted by 9Eleven
The MAF/CEL issue cannot be compared to the RMS issue.
Originally Posted by 9Eleven
... but as far as complaints for new vehicles, Porsche just took the number 1 spot away from Lexus, having the least amount of complaints per vehicle.
#114
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Originally Posted by Dock
If you can't follow the flow when concise replies/questions are presented, there is nothing I can do to help you.
Once again Dock, you skirted the issue and picked a particular sentence that you felt you could respond to without a challenge, since your reply was an opinion.
Last edited by 9Eleven; 09-17-2006 at 11:26 PM.
#115
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Originally Posted by Dock
There was no miscommunication, I just decided not to reply to it. I thought the "I quit" remark was a better point to respond to.
Sure it can.
And this is information totally unrelated to the RMS/MAF engineering/quality control discussion.
Sure it can.
And this is information totally unrelated to the RMS/MAF engineering/quality control discussion.
Last edited by 9Eleven; 09-17-2006 at 11:39 PM.
#116
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Your responses are not supported by any argument. They are just opinions.
Originally Posted by 9Eleven
"Sure you can?" That's a concise response to a point? That's the best you can do?
#117
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Originally Posted by Dock
In the V-Flow case, we don't have sufficient information available to assign failure to the V-Flow alone.
Yes, "Sure you can" is a valid response based on the fact that I did so in a previous post. Why go over it all again?
Yes, "Sure you can" is a valid response based on the fact that I did so in a previous post. Why go over it all again?
#119
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Originally Posted by Dock
Try reading post #110 again.
#120
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
In my opnion, based on my research and experience, it does not give you any additional hp at any level. As far as the MAF/CEL issue IMHO, there are some unresolved issues that I would not risk since the product does not deliver any benefit for the risk.