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Old 09-17-2006, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Where did you get that dyno sheet?
From Stephen at IA...call him if you want to do some due diligence.
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Originally Posted by Dock
And there's the problem. The poll is titled "Did you have any issues with the V-Flow intake" but people voted based on what? An actual problem caused specifically by the V-Flow? That's what we can't nail down...what's causing the problem on those cars with the V-Flow. There have been 28 votes, and from what I can determine, only 9 posted to say something about their vote. None of these guys were able to say what the real cause of their problem was.
Dock ,the question was were there any issues with the Vflow!!!!! Those who put it in and said yes, had issues. That was the question. People voted based on ..... drum roll, please..... The VFlow!!!! The problem was the Vflow, directly or indirectly. Kevin
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it's the polls fault, oh yeah, almost forgot the drugs too.
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Old 09-17-2006, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dock
From Stephen at IA...call him if you want to do some due diligence.
Dock, lay of the sarcasm. I have been very considerate discussing this topic. I've kept it civil, try doing the same. I have already conducted due dilligence. That's why it's not on my car. I don't need to call him. For every guy you find that I should call about how great it is, I'll find 5 professional drivers/mechanics that say it isn't and it does not deliver any of the claimed hp as advertised.

Once again, why would I call the manufacturer that stands to gain by selling the product? Here is another dyno showing just a 6 hp gain straight from the EVO website. Just for the record, I don't know what kind of car it was, conditions, or any other variable that may have manipulated the figures. Which is it 5, 15 or 20 hp? Or does it depend on the variables that I cited earlier? These alleged numbers are on a modified car with headers. 700 bucks for an alleged 6 horsepower and possible CEL/MAF problems? To each his own, it's a free market.
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Old 09-17-2006, 06:56 PM
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The problem was the Vflow, directly or indirectly.
Not knowing the "directly" or "indirectly" part is what skews the information.

What would be nice to know is what components (and in terms of OEM components their part numbers in case there have been different releases of that part) that if installed on a Turbo with the V-Flow, might cause the car to run abnormally.
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Dock, lay of the sarcasm. I have been very considerate discussing this topic. I've kept it civil. Try doing the same.
No sarcasm about it. I'm being considerate and civil about the dyno...I don't have all of the information you asked for, and if I did I don't know that I'd be motivated to look it all up and type it out here...just easier for you to to the leg work (diligence). You asked for dyno results in a previous post, and I supplied one.

Try not to be so sensitive...

If you don't want a V-Flow then so be it - I couldn't care less if you have one or not. Are you trying to talk others into not buying one too?
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Oak
it's the polls fault...
Ever notice the different results of polls when the questions are worded differently?
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[QUOTE=Dock]
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Not knowing the "directly" or "indirectly" part is what skews the information.

What would be nice to know is what components (and in terms of OEM components their part numbers in case there have been different releases of that part) that if installed on a Turbo with the V-Flow, might cause the car to run abnormally.
Agreed.
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dock
No sarcasm about it. I'm being considerate and civil about the dyno...I don't have all of the information you asked for, and if I did I don't know that I'd be motivated to look it all up and type it out here...just easier for you to to the leg work (diligence). You asked for dyno results in a previous post, and I supplied one.

Try not to be so sensitive...

If you don't want a V-Flow then so be it - I couldn't care less if you have one or not. Are you trying to talk others into not buying one too?
You posted the dyno, I didn't. I think if you post information, or lack of it, you should have the bare minimun information regarding that dyno pull or preface the post alerting the reader that the dyno is just that, a dyno with no other information to verify it's results. No, as I said it's a free market. I responded to you in an earlier post that I am honestly happy that you have, and continue to have, a postive experience with the V-flow. But I feel, as others do on this forum, that the product has issues. Can we agree on that?
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Weinstein
I would guess that our MAF units are not all alike, and some work better than
others. Maybe some have wider abilities to handle more flow than others,
and weaker ones cause CELs with the increased flow.
I agree.

The MAF question is just the kind of thing that would be good to know - have there been changes made by Porsche over the years that are not reflected in different part numbers being assigned, or maybe there isn't enough quality control by Porsche to produce consistent equally performing units?
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
But I feel, as others do on this forum, that the product has issues. Can we agree on that?
Agree that the V-Flow has issues when used with what other components, either OEM or aftermarket, installed in the car? If it turns out that not all OEM MAF units meet the ECU's requirements 100% of the time, say it's just because of a quality control issue with the MAF, would the problems with the V-Flow installed on a car with one of the substandard MAF units be attributed to the V-Flow, or the substandard MAF?
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dock
substandard MAF?
O.K. Dock, I give up. It's Porsche substandard engineering. You win.
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
It's Porsche substandard engineering.
Do you think Porsche has a problem with the RMS on the 996 and 986/987?
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dock
Do you think Porsche has a problem with the RMS on the 996 and 986/987?
Apples and oranges. The RMS issue wasn't induced.
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Apples and oranges. The RMS issue wasn't induced.
You missed the point...the RMS issue is engineering/quality control, and it's related to my MAF question.
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