Zach Pruett

[quote]Originally posted by Konstantin:
<strong>sorry guys but this get childish!
ther eis no supra or whatever that can last more than 5 min full boost on the German Autobahn! period
better ask all these guy from Holand, switzerland or other countried that tried. EVERY car over 400 HP blew up.


Even the ful race falcon Team that came from Japan last year turned the boost doen to 550 HP in order not to damage the car.
believe it or not. there is no other car that last long full boost runs.
this is not just my opinion. this is the true. At leats I never saw or heard of other cars that last for long time with high boosts. Maybe you are all dreaming for high HP and I do not doubt that you can make 800 HP but for how long?
ahve you took the car for a 1 hor race or along run. I am talking about 200 to 300 km/h runs not just once on the dyno.
The 800 Hp will last in the USA because you use them just for sec and not very often. How often do you drive over 300 km/h?

do that some times and then you will see what i mean.
There in no other road like teh German Autobahn. Only here you can see if you car is realy fast and if it last long.
Maybe you think I am wrong but untill somebody prove the oposite you must accept that ALL jap cars blows on the Autobahn. None of them with over 400 HP last more than a couple of min accelarating and braking.
Maybe the cars in the USA are better than the one we have here (even if teh guys use the same parts since they import them from the USA or Japan ) but the jap cars here do not last.

If you have an example show this. i am not talking for 10 sec "races". I am talking about min or hours realy high speed driving at high boost
BTW don't arguy about there is no Porsche on earth that can make 800 Hp etc.
The fastest car on earth with less than 800 HP made 404 km/h on the road. strange that all these high HP jap mashines never exceed the 320 km/h

we don't care about HP number it is the time that shows how fast the car is.
give me some times from 60 to 190 mph or what ever you like and I can saw you how fast the supra is.
make by your self some runs from 60 to 100 mph or to what ever you like and tell us the time. This is what counts not the HP
no later than tomorow I will see if the supra with 200 more Hp in full race trim is afster than a almost stock GT3 with only 30 Hp more than the street car.
we are talking about 400 hp vs 600 Supra HP. the lap time will tell this

do understand me wrong. they are great cars but all the hype about 800 HP is not worth because these HPs can not be used for long. The cars, trany engine etc will brake. Maybe it last for some runs in the US roads but here it will brake. This was the case with EVEWRY high HP jap. car till now. Maybe in the future this will change but we will see that.

have a nice day.

Konstantin</strong><hr></blockquote>

You truly have no clue. Graduate 3rd grade english then come and talk trash.

Shank996TT

Konstantin:

"sorry guys but this get childish!ther eis no supra or whatever that can last more than 5 min full boost on the German Autobahn! period better ask all these guy from Holand, switzerland or other countried that tried. EVERY car over 400 HP blew up"

Your facts are about as accurate as your grammar. <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

boostaddict

Shank,

Do you have any pics of your garage? I'd love to see all your toys!!

-Michael

2001 996 Turbo
2001 BMW X5
1998 Supra Turbo

Shank996TT

Mike, I do, but I have to consolodate 'em and post them in one site soon. Email me if you want some seperate links.

-RS

WCW

Hey Guys, Guys, Guys,

I didn't want to start WWIII here.

I have a stock Supra and would like to get the relative merits of both cars. What I gather is that both are great in there own rights but are different. I am not likely to modify either car. I won't be hitting the track.

How are each similar and how are they different from each other using them as "weekend" cars, without modification. How is the reliability? Fun factor etc.? [Konstatin, I wish I could write in German as well as you do in German.]

Thanks guys for your imput, Wade

WCW

Make that; Konstantin, I wish I could write in German as well as you do in English. WCW

HBdirtbag

[quote]Originally posted by Zach Pruett:
<strong>

You truly have no clue. Graduate 3rd grade english then come and talk trash.</strong><hr></blockquote>


be nice about the english thing, he is from germany. But he definately doesn't have a clue.

Konstantin

ok it seems that some of you understand my bad english and some of you do NOT want to accept the true.

I am working with race teams for years and our race team lead teh Porsche supercup at the moment. well maybe I do not have a clue but bring a supra or what ever to teh track and let see how fast is it.

I realy doubt that thes e amount of HP is possible. The Blitz Supra run 3 bar boost and had "only " 650 REAL HP.
How much boost do you run on the 1000 HP Supra?

the stock GT2 with STREET tires is faster than a full modified Supra with 650 HP that came with 20!!! mechanics at Nurburgring.

On the Street failed to be faster than the tuned 911 TT
So neither on the Track or on the street the supra was faster.

maybe the Supras you know are faster and have more HP than the Blitz Supra but where are the evindence?

of course it is a fast car but it is not as fast as many of you think and do not tell me about HP numbers on teh dyno. Nothing easier than that. I can show you many ways how to manipulate a dyno. This is what the customer wants and this is what he gets.

This is not only about Supra it is about every other jap car. I refere to Supra because it was mentioned on the posting before.

You can make jokes about my bad English (actually my French is worst and I speak another two languages not better than English but who cares) but this has nothing to do if a car is fast or not.
So stay on topic.
show me the times for exapmle form 0 to 300 km/h or on a truck and compare and see if the car is as fast as you think. maybe you make these 800-or 1000 HP for some seconds but if the "factory Supra" makes "only" 650 HP at 3 bar boost (this is 43,5 PSI) what boost do you run for 1000 HP and for how LONG?

I invite you and everybody else here and I will pay for you some laps at Nurburgring and provide you a place to stay. just bring your car and take a look. you can do teh same on teh Autobahn. then you will tell me if I have a clue or not.
I make (my fastest time)the way from here to Stuttgart in 2h 50 min and it is a 550 km trip and not all of the Autobahn is unrestricted. just try to drive fast for one or tow hours and then tell me if I have a clue or not. We are driving these speed every day, we are not talking about big HPs.

If you can do that prove it.
even stock M3 or Lotus GT 350 blows the pistons on the Autobahn. The 550 Maranelo breaks after 2 laps at Nurburgring. What do you think will happen with a car runing this amount of boost?

Try to race you car at this boost for 5 min and if it last you will get a free place to live in Germany for your whole life.

so piece now and not fight with me and if you do not believe me it is ok. I wish I could write better in your language, maybe then you could understand what I mean.

Konstantin
PS the best jap. car (Nissan skyline) with over 550 HP is slower than a bone stock GT3 with only 380 HP in the first qualifying at the 24 H at Nurburgring.
Don't get me wrong. I hope the Nissan will do better as first of all I like Turbo cars and second, the Geramn driver is one of my favorite and was my teacher at the race track. His name is Rolland Asch (probably unknown in the USA) and a very nice guy.
Check the <a href="http://www.24h-rennen.de/" target="_blank">http://www.24h-rennen.de/</a>
It is in English too

enough writen.- I must leave for the race now. enjoy your cars and don't be mad on me just because I have no clue or I express my opinion;-)
I

Shank996TT

Konstantine, or should i call you Consistantine. After reading your posts, I came to one conslustion....You are consistant on inaccuracies.
Frankly, if I had the energy to pick on each of the statements, I'd develop carpal tunnel syndrome. You are incorrect Chump!

Konstantin

[quote]Originally posted by cjv:
<strong>
Konstantin, I do have issue with a couple of your comments. Two years ago I spent 2-1/2 months in your country. The autobaun is beautiful but I never saw a high powered car going full throttle for 5 minutes??? Either the weather was bad or too many other cars on the road to safely sustain those speeds. During my time there I did see three very bad accidents due to the cross roads on the autobauns. The only times over here cars come close to this is events on the public roads like The Silver State Challenge. I believe the top street cars there average about 200 mph for 60 to 90 minutes with top speeds being around 226 mph. The other item of disagreement is that German tuners are not the only ones who can successfully tune Porsche motors. I am currently pushing 650 hp/642 ft. lbs torque in my 996tt. In less than 60 days we should be in the range of 750+ SAE HP. This car is not just set up for HP but also, brakes, transmission, drive train and suspension. It was assembled with a loot of trial and error and plain old Yankee know how.</strong><hr></blockquote>

sorry I almost missed your post

the least accindents happens on the Autobahn. the are no cross road to the Autobahn but there are street that looks like teh Autobahn

you are right most people drive at about 200 km/h not miles becuae you can not drive for hours higher speeds without being tired. You see you have to drive 3-4 hours sometimes and you have to choose a speed that it is safe. if everybody else drive 150 you can not always drive 250. It always depends on the road trafic. The wheathe ris fine from april to october. Mayn unregister teh fast cars in the winter since you can not drive fast and the salt destroy the cars.

the best time to drive fast is either in the night or now. Everybody watch soccer (world champion ship)

The Geramny tuners are not the fatsst in the world. the japanese and the US Tuner make more HP but they do not last.
sure RUF gembala and other can also make teh engine to run higher boost. this is not dificult.
the Problem is if you pay about $50000 for a conversion it should last for at leats 1 year (now it is 2 years) The guys take teh cars to teh Autobahn , or at the Hockenheim F1 track or at Nurburgring and ther eis no way that a car with this HP will last 2 years. Since you have warranty for two years the Tuner must fix your car! so the tuners make car that they are sure they will last for long. Anotehr reason is that EVERYTHING on a car (even a miror, a brake light, a tire or the engine) must get the TUV aprovvnes. Tha means not only it must be FULL smog legal, every single part like barkes , clutch tranny etc must last a test with many km on a track. Usaully the test them at Nurburgring. Imagine that 1000 km at Nurburgring is like 100000 km on the road. (this is not mine info. it has been reported by almost every car R&D engineer in the world.)

It is not easy to pass this test and even teh Gt2 that break the record last year had broken tranny and CV joints.

there is a reason why Porsche developed their GT1 in 98 (also) in France and registered the carthere and not in Germany.

The TUV quality control is very high ynd there is not way to pass teh emission control, pass all the mecahnical tests and also give a bigg waranty for a car that it can be raced at any time not only at the tarck. We have about 7 F1 track that you can reach withinn 4 hours with a Porsche and there are tons of other tracks. If you want to drive hard your car it is not a problem.

See how many car finish the 24 H at Nurburgring or 24 h in Le Mans and these are race cars and much better build and do not have more Power than the street cars. You can destroy a street car if you want and the more HP the easier.

there is a reason why the tuners in Germany stay under 700 HP or 620 HP for the 996 TT.

You can find Porsches with 600 HP and 100000 km but you can not find other cars with so many km and high HP. This proves what last and what not. Or take your car at the Nurburgring (The Ring as we say here) and after some laps you will see what I mean.

Just try to turn 3-4 laps at under 9 min and you will understand what the Problem is.

There is a reason why the Ring is a mythos. If you havent be there you can not feel what I mean.

<a href="http://www.sjrixon.clara.net/Videos/lap2.zip" target="_blank">http://www.sjrixon.clara.net/Videos/lap2.zip</a>

Konstantin

A Quiet Boom

Ok, reality check here! If you want to go fast in a straight line reliably, build an American V-8 to your hearts content 1000 reliable HP is a very attainable goal. If you want to go around corners fast and reliable by a car that was built for it like oh I don't know, A PORSCHE. I've seen plenty of these high HP jap cars blow up at my local dragstrip, all the while watching guys like my friend Cory come back year after year with the same motor (his is a NA 302 in a '63 falcon) post low 10second times rarely breaking anything more than a driveshaft. Bring your 650+HP turbo car to the track and run against my 650+HP NA 410" motor, we'll go back to back until someone breaks (hope you bring a trailer)

HBdirtbag

[quote]Originally posted by A Quiet Boom:
<strong>Ok, reality check here! If you want to go fast in a straight line reliably, build an American V-8 to your hearts content 1000 reliable HP is a very attainable goal. If you want to go around corners fast and reliable by a car that was built for it like oh I don't know, A PORSCHE. I've seen plenty of these high HP jap cars blow up at my local dragstrip, all the while watching guys like my friend Cory come back year after year with the same motor (his is a NA 302 in a '63 falcon) post low 10second times rarely breaking anything more than a driveshaft. Bring your 650+HP turbo car to the track and run against my 650+HP NA 410" motor, we'll go back to back until someone breaks (hope you bring a trailer)</strong><hr></blockquote>


Sure their are reliable versions of everything. But i've seen EVERYTHING blow up at the track on the highway whereever. Esp. american muscle, and i'm partial to those.

A Quiet Boom

[quote]Originally posted by soon2be993TT:
<strong>


Sure their are reliable versions of everything. But i've seen EVERYTHING blow up at the track on the highway whereever. Esp. american muscle, and i'm partial to those.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not saying V-8s don't blow up (I should know ) what I was saying is that after you reach a certain HP/displacement ratio things start to break, in drag-racing where HP rules the roost big inches mean more reliable HP. 1.25-1.5 hp/inch is very attainable naturally aspirated, while 1.5-2.0+ is also easily attained with forced induction but once you start producing big HP numbers reliability comes into play, think of it this way 1000 HP at 200"sq is 5 hp/inch verses 1000 HP at 400"sq 2.5 hp/inch American V-8s are designed mainly for relatively low-rpm grunt which is why they are so suitable for drag-racing, the autobahn or roadracing on the otherhand require less HP, lighterweight and much more high rpm durability. 911 porsche's come stock with things like a dry sump oiling system, light reciprocating weight etc. all geared toward high rpm cruising, I seriously doubt a Supra would last on the autobahn, it simply wasn't designed for that kind of use (abuse.

VS

Konstantin,
Reading your posts it appears that you do care about getting your ideas through. Unfortunately, the effect of your messages is much degraded by many small typos and some misspelled words.

Many of these "features" will go away if you run a simple spellcheck program! Ask me how I know

<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Luke

[quote]Originally posted by Shank996TT:
<strong>Konstantine, or should i call you Consistantine. After reading your posts, I came to one conslustion....You are consistant on inaccuracies.
Frankly, if I had the energy to pick on each of the statements, I'd develop carpal tunnel syndrome. You are incorrect Chump! </strong><hr></blockquote>


WOW. I have lost total respect for you