996TT Vs Supra TT
11-15-2002, 08:41 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Ibanez:
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The only one who is being ignorant is the person who thinks a Supra is an equal for a 911</strong><hr></blockquote>
no where did I say it was equal did I?
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The only one who is being ignorant is the person who thinks a Supra is an equal for a 911</strong><hr></blockquote>
no where did I say it was equal did I?
11-15-2002, 08:44 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Silverbullet951:
<strong>Exactly, and let me tell you something, I haven't had any problems with my car. Just to let you know, I was doing some calcuations and I figured out that a 600 RWHP 951 (which is possible) that is lightened (2100 lbs), can beat a supra with 800 RWHP in a straight line. Now, about the curves, I don't even have to go there. The back of the supra looks like F***'n PIG. I'm starting to hate that car more and more. If you think im wrong about the 951 do the calculations yourself.</strong><hr></blockquote>
actually, on the street none of that **** matters, there are way to many factors to throw in there.
<strong>Exactly, and let me tell you something, I haven't had any problems with my car. Just to let you know, I was doing some calcuations and I figured out that a 600 RWHP 951 (which is possible) that is lightened (2100 lbs), can beat a supra with 800 RWHP in a straight line. Now, about the curves, I don't even have to go there. The back of the supra looks like F***'n PIG. I'm starting to hate that car more and more. If you think im wrong about the 951 do the calculations yourself.</strong><hr></blockquote>
actually, on the street none of that **** matters, there are way to many factors to throw in there.
11-15-2002, 08:52 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Hamann7:
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One car was designed for the wealthy enthusiast, the other for yuppies or import racers concerned with 1/4 mi timeslips and getting other people's Honda pinkslips! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know what you know, but you should know the supra can be a great 1/4 mile car, but the majority of it's owners don't have it for that reason. It's as much a GT car is as a base 996. And take a high HP supra on the freeway and even you will fall in love.
You are right all cars are equal, everyone has their own choices. It's just ignorant not to give credit to a great car where credit is due. We are all here for a reason, cause we like fast well performing cars, that's all the supra is too.
And also, you are too one sided, how many supras have you driven? ****, what do you really know about them? It's obvious not many or much, you have no right to judge on this topic.
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One car was designed for the wealthy enthusiast, the other for yuppies or import racers concerned with 1/4 mi timeslips and getting other people's Honda pinkslips! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know what you know, but you should know the supra can be a great 1/4 mile car, but the majority of it's owners don't have it for that reason. It's as much a GT car is as a base 996. And take a high HP supra on the freeway and even you will fall in love.
You are right all cars are equal, everyone has their own choices. It's just ignorant not to give credit to a great car where credit is due. We are all here for a reason, cause we like fast well performing cars, that's all the supra is too.
And also, you are too one sided, how many supras have you driven? ****, what do you really know about them? It's obvious not many or much, you have no right to judge on this topic.
11-15-2002, 11:44 PM
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Many remarks, most of which will be ignored.
The 911 has a better weight balance than the Supra? What a joke. The 911 is WAY to heavy on the back. The Supra is only moderately too heavy on the front. NO modern car is designed from scratch with the weight bias problems of the 911. Even Porsche wanted to stop, but the customers would not buy the better newer cars. It is true that Porsche also screwed up by not racing the better newer cars, but continuing with the existing race cars for which there was a big customer base.
The Supra in the one-lap was 4th I think. But according to my friend who drives the one-lap every year (and was 4th in 1998 in a 286 hp BMW naturally aspirated 6) - the Supra driver was not very good, and a good driver would have won the event overall.
Jap cars not as crash-strong? My friend who puts roll cages in cars would disagree (except Subarus. he hates Subarus and he caged one this year). Specifically he is not fond of the roof strength of E36 BMWs. No he has not done a 996, but that is because I have not had him cage my Turbo yet.
The Supra not able to run for 1/2 hour flat-out (autobahn)? Well we are not able to try that much in the USA, but I think they do OK in things like the Silver State, where that is possible. But so have big-block Camaros which have also been castigated by the same people who castigate the Supra's ability to run top speed.
The Porsche Turbo is a nice car. But many cars will beat it for less. Even two different stock cars will be about even or better in track numbers for less money. (Z06 vette, Viper GTS).
Live with the truth, please, rather than deny it.
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The 911 has a better weight balance than the Supra? What a joke. The 911 is WAY to heavy on the back. The Supra is only moderately too heavy on the front. NO modern car is designed from scratch with the weight bias problems of the 911. Even Porsche wanted to stop, but the customers would not buy the better newer cars. It is true that Porsche also screwed up by not racing the better newer cars, but continuing with the existing race cars for which there was a big customer base.
The Supra in the one-lap was 4th I think. But according to my friend who drives the one-lap every year (and was 4th in 1998 in a 286 hp BMW naturally aspirated 6) - the Supra driver was not very good, and a good driver would have won the event overall.
Jap cars not as crash-strong? My friend who puts roll cages in cars would disagree (except Subarus. he hates Subarus and he caged one this year). Specifically he is not fond of the roof strength of E36 BMWs. No he has not done a 996, but that is because I have not had him cage my Turbo yet.
The Supra not able to run for 1/2 hour flat-out (autobahn)? Well we are not able to try that much in the USA, but I think they do OK in things like the Silver State, where that is possible. But so have big-block Camaros which have also been castigated by the same people who castigate the Supra's ability to run top speed.
The Porsche Turbo is a nice car. But many cars will beat it for less. Even two different stock cars will be about even or better in track numbers for less money. (Z06 vette, Viper GTS).
Live with the truth, please, rather than deny it.
Michael Wilson
Still looking for the pump-gas Mass-emissions-legal 700 hp trackable luxo-yacht with demostrated 50 k mile engine life span and usable in the snow. (83 928 with carb big-block?)
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[quote]Originally posted by soon2be993TT:
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i've owned all types of cars, been in accidents in all types of cars and the japanese cars have been best for me regarding safety. And I know this is a porsche forum, but be open minded about other cars. A supra is not a piece of crap as you are referring to. Ever driven one? Probally not? Ever driven in or driven a high horsepower one and compared it to a high HP porsche turbo car? They aren't much different, personally i'd take the porsche, but they aren't really comparable, a supra is a much cheaper expense.
And take my hondas against a 7 series? In what? A race?
that'll be tuff. The 740 is a quick car, dad use to have one but it's not comparable. Although you got a nice car on your hands I won't take that away from you. But what fun is a 4 door anyways 
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There is a reason why German cars are known for their safety. It is generally of paramount importance in building a car by the top marques. You are absolutely nuts if you think a Jap car will hold up better in a crash against a Porsche, BMW or Mercedes in general. Do you have any idea how much time, energy, and money these guys spend on safety engineering? Trust me, a lot more than the Japanese.
Can you honestly tell me that a Lexus LS430 is as safe as a Mercedes S500?
By the same token, I think a lot of reason people buy Porsches is the crashworthiness of the car. Have you ever seen a Jap sports car in a major collision? It's not pretty. There is no doubt in my mind that the 996, even the 993, is better engineered for safety than the Supra-- which is what partially accounts for the price difference.
I never said the Supra was a piece of ****, I only said that it wasn't in the same class. BTW, my disdain for Toyota is equal all across the board, especially with the Lexus, which is nothing but a wannabe Mercedes. I also think that it will take a long time, if EVER, for Toyota to win the F1 championship. Their motors cannot even come close to matching those of Ferrari and BMW. And I hope they never do win!
I have driven a Supra a while back, as well as an NSX. It is not a 996 Turbo, that's all I can say about that. Hey, it's not supposed to be, after all, what can you expect for $40-50K brand new?
You don't see M3 owners claiming that their cars are better than 996TT's, do you?
Don't even get me started with the American sports cars, like the fiberglass bodied Vettes or the cheesy Vipers with their plastic interiors and god awful seating position.
And what I meant by your Honda vs. my 740 sport is a head on collision. Betcha I'll come out ahead <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Like I said, I don't care if the Supra is cheaper and can put out lots of horsepower... You can also supercharge a Mustang to do the trick too, but it does not make the Stang a great sports car.
You know, this is getting so pointless. But let's put it this way... If someone were to say that a tuned 996 Turbo is as good or better of a car than a true supercar Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1, I think most people would laugh. Again, not even on the same level. Hell, even a comparison to the F40 or F50 would be ludicrous. After all, these cars are what many 996 TT owners also collect, or aspire towards.
So herein lies the problem with the thinking that some super rice rocket is as good as Germany's finest.
Show me a tuned Supra or a Skyline that can beat Gemballa's record on the 'Ring and I might see your point.
But since this car doesn't exist, I will be biased in the Porsche's favor. The Gemballa is running something like 550-600hp with an H&R coilover suspension. Not even the Blitz Supra or Skyline with its so-called 750hp could come close to this car!
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i've owned all types of cars, been in accidents in all types of cars and the japanese cars have been best for me regarding safety. And I know this is a porsche forum, but be open minded about other cars. A supra is not a piece of crap as you are referring to. Ever driven one? Probally not? Ever driven in or driven a high horsepower one and compared it to a high HP porsche turbo car? They aren't much different, personally i'd take the porsche, but they aren't really comparable, a supra is a much cheaper expense.
And take my hondas against a 7 series? In what? A race?
that'll be tuff. The 740 is a quick car, dad use to have one but it's not comparable. Although you got a nice car on your hands I won't take that away from you. But what fun is a 4 door anyways </strong><hr></blockquote>There is a reason why German cars are known for their safety. It is generally of paramount importance in building a car by the top marques. You are absolutely nuts if you think a Jap car will hold up better in a crash against a Porsche, BMW or Mercedes in general. Do you have any idea how much time, energy, and money these guys spend on safety engineering? Trust me, a lot more than the Japanese.
Can you honestly tell me that a Lexus LS430 is as safe as a Mercedes S500?
By the same token, I think a lot of reason people buy Porsches is the crashworthiness of the car. Have you ever seen a Jap sports car in a major collision? It's not pretty. There is no doubt in my mind that the 996, even the 993, is better engineered for safety than the Supra-- which is what partially accounts for the price difference.
I never said the Supra was a piece of ****, I only said that it wasn't in the same class. BTW, my disdain for Toyota is equal all across the board, especially with the Lexus, which is nothing but a wannabe Mercedes. I also think that it will take a long time, if EVER, for Toyota to win the F1 championship. Their motors cannot even come close to matching those of Ferrari and BMW. And I hope they never do win!
I have driven a Supra a while back, as well as an NSX. It is not a 996 Turbo, that's all I can say about that. Hey, it's not supposed to be, after all, what can you expect for $40-50K brand new?
You don't see M3 owners claiming that their cars are better than 996TT's, do you?
Don't even get me started with the American sports cars, like the fiberglass bodied Vettes or the cheesy Vipers with their plastic interiors and god awful seating position.
And what I meant by your Honda vs. my 740 sport is a head on collision. Betcha I'll come out ahead <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Like I said, I don't care if the Supra is cheaper and can put out lots of horsepower... You can also supercharge a Mustang to do the trick too, but it does not make the Stang a great sports car.
You know, this is getting so pointless. But let's put it this way... If someone were to say that a tuned 996 Turbo is as good or better of a car than a true supercar Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1, I think most people would laugh. Again, not even on the same level. Hell, even a comparison to the F40 or F50 would be ludicrous. After all, these cars are what many 996 TT owners also collect, or aspire towards.
So herein lies the problem with the thinking that some super rice rocket is as good as Germany's finest.
Show me a tuned Supra or a Skyline that can beat Gemballa's record on the 'Ring and I might see your point.
But since this car doesn't exist, I will be biased in the Porsche's favor. The Gemballa is running something like 550-600hp with an H&R coilover suspension. Not even the Blitz Supra or Skyline with its so-called 750hp could come close to this car!
11-16-2002, 12:42 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Hamann7:
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There is a reason why German cars are known for their safety. It is generally of paramount importance in building a car by the top marques. You are absolutely nuts if you think a Jap car will hold up better in a crash against a Porsche, BMW or Mercedes in general. Do you have any idea how much time, energy, and money these guys spend on safety engineering? Trust me, a lot more than the Japanese.
Can you honestly tell me that a Lexus LS430 is as safe as a Mercedes S500?
By the same token, I think a lot of reason people buy Porsches is the crashworthiness of the car. Have you ever seen a Jap sports car in a major collision? It's not pretty. There is no doubt in my mind that the 996, even the 993, is better engineered for safety than the Supra-- which is what partially accounts for the price difference.
I never said the Supra was a piece of ****, I only said that it wasn't in the same class. BTW, my disdain for Toyota is equal all across the board, especially with the Lexus, which is nothing but a wannabe Mercedes. I also think that it will take a long time, if EVER, for Toyota to win the F1 championship. Their motors cannot even come close to matching those of Ferrari and BMW. And I hope they never do win!
I have driven a Supra a while back, as well as an NSX. It is not a 996 Turbo, that's all I can say about that. Hey, it's not supposed to be, after all, what can you expect for $40-50K brand new?
You don't see M3 owners claiming that their cars are better than 996TT's, do you?
Don't even get me started with the American sports cars, like the fiberglass bodied Vettes or the cheesy Vipers with their plastic interiors and god awful seating position.
And what I meant by your Honda vs. my 740 sport is a head on collision. Betcha I'll come out ahead <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Like I said, I don't care if the Supra is cheaper and can put out lots of horsepower... You can also supercharge a Mustang to do the trick too, but it does not make the Stang a great sports car.
You know, this is getting so pointless. But let's put it this way... If someone were to say that a tuned 996 Turbo is as good or better of a car than a true supercar Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1, I think most people would laugh. Again, not even on the same level. Hell, even a comparison to the F40 or F50 would be ludicrous. After all, these cars are what many 996 TT owners also collect, or aspire towards.
So herein lies the problem with the thinking that some super rice rocket is as good as Germany's finest.
Show me a tuned Supra or a Skyline that can beat Gemballa's record on the 'Ring and I might see your point.
But since this car doesn't exist, I will be biased in the Porsche's favor. The Gemballa is running something like 550-600hp with an H&R coilover suspension. Not even the Blitz Supra or Skyline with its so-called 750hp could come close to this car!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey buddy, it's all in fun. None of us expect you to know anything; after all you don't even own a sports car. How about instead of you trying to argue about a car you "hope to own", visit a BMW board and converse with people who actually take you seriously. God knows none of us do....
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There is a reason why German cars are known for their safety. It is generally of paramount importance in building a car by the top marques. You are absolutely nuts if you think a Jap car will hold up better in a crash against a Porsche, BMW or Mercedes in general. Do you have any idea how much time, energy, and money these guys spend on safety engineering? Trust me, a lot more than the Japanese.
Can you honestly tell me that a Lexus LS430 is as safe as a Mercedes S500?
By the same token, I think a lot of reason people buy Porsches is the crashworthiness of the car. Have you ever seen a Jap sports car in a major collision? It's not pretty. There is no doubt in my mind that the 996, even the 993, is better engineered for safety than the Supra-- which is what partially accounts for the price difference.
I never said the Supra was a piece of ****, I only said that it wasn't in the same class. BTW, my disdain for Toyota is equal all across the board, especially with the Lexus, which is nothing but a wannabe Mercedes. I also think that it will take a long time, if EVER, for Toyota to win the F1 championship. Their motors cannot even come close to matching those of Ferrari and BMW. And I hope they never do win!
I have driven a Supra a while back, as well as an NSX. It is not a 996 Turbo, that's all I can say about that. Hey, it's not supposed to be, after all, what can you expect for $40-50K brand new?
You don't see M3 owners claiming that their cars are better than 996TT's, do you?
Don't even get me started with the American sports cars, like the fiberglass bodied Vettes or the cheesy Vipers with their plastic interiors and god awful seating position.
And what I meant by your Honda vs. my 740 sport is a head on collision. Betcha I'll come out ahead <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Like I said, I don't care if the Supra is cheaper and can put out lots of horsepower... You can also supercharge a Mustang to do the trick too, but it does not make the Stang a great sports car.
You know, this is getting so pointless. But let's put it this way... If someone were to say that a tuned 996 Turbo is as good or better of a car than a true supercar Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1, I think most people would laugh. Again, not even on the same level. Hell, even a comparison to the F40 or F50 would be ludicrous. After all, these cars are what many 996 TT owners also collect, or aspire towards.
So herein lies the problem with the thinking that some super rice rocket is as good as Germany's finest.
Show me a tuned Supra or a Skyline that can beat Gemballa's record on the 'Ring and I might see your point.
But since this car doesn't exist, I will be biased in the Porsche's favor. The Gemballa is running something like 550-600hp with an H&R coilover suspension. Not even the Blitz Supra or Skyline with its so-called 750hp could come close to this car!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey buddy, it's all in fun. None of us expect you to know anything; after all you don't even own a sports car. How about instead of you trying to argue about a car you "hope to own", visit a BMW board and converse with people who actually take you seriously. God knows none of us do....
11-16-2002, 12:56 PM
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When I first saw Wade's query I thought "interesting - I had four years with a Supra and now I have a 996 Turbo". So I read all five pages, expecting to hear some opinions about both cars.
So what did I find? Open warfare, and a load of statistics based on out-dragging the opposition (USA), and lapping the 'Ring (Europe). Very impressive stuff, but does it really tell Wade anything useful about either car?
I don't think so, but I'll leave the answer to Wade.
So what did I find? Open warfare, and a load of statistics based on out-dragging the opposition (USA), and lapping the 'Ring (Europe). Very impressive stuff, but does it really tell Wade anything useful about either car?
I don't think so, but I'll leave the answer to Wade.
11-16-2002, 05:02 PM
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What have I concluded from this huge thread...
You guys have way too much money and way too much free time to sit here bantering about which is better...
John D, I think its time to kill this one...
You guys have way too much money and way too much free time to sit here bantering about which is better...
John D, I think its time to kill this one...
11-16-2002, 05:21 PM
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Zach,
Why are you such an a s s h o l e? I have never attacked you personally, so what is your problem?
Keep it up champ, with your karma, maybe one day you will lose it on some hairpin turn and some Hummer or some large S-Class engages in a head on crash with your wonderful Supra and will crush your puny *** by sandwiching you in between the cheapo vinyl dashboard into the even cheaper fabric seats.
Would the world become a better place? Who knows? <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
Kill this thread already!
Why are you such an a s s h o l e? I have never attacked you personally, so what is your problem?
Keep it up champ, with your karma, maybe one day you will lose it on some hairpin turn and some Hummer or some large S-Class engages in a head on crash with your wonderful Supra and will crush your puny *** by sandwiching you in between the cheapo vinyl dashboard into the even cheaper fabric seats.
Would the world become a better place? Who knows? <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
Kill this thread already!
11-16-2002, 06:30 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Hamann7:
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Why are you such an a s s h o l e? I have never attacked you personally, so what is your problem?
Keep it up champ, with your karma, maybe one day you will lose it on some hairpin turn and some Hummer or some large S-Class engages in a head on crash with your wonderful Supra and will crush your puny *** by sandwiching you in between the cheapo vinyl dashboard into the even cheaper fabric seats.
Would the world become a better place? Who knows? <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
Kill this thread already!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know you win an argument when the other person has nothing else to say than to wish you bodily harm. Hamman get a life, brother.
<strong>Zach,
Why are you such an a s s h o l e? I have never attacked you personally, so what is your problem?
Keep it up champ, with your karma, maybe one day you will lose it on some hairpin turn and some Hummer or some large S-Class engages in a head on crash with your wonderful Supra and will crush your puny *** by sandwiching you in between the cheapo vinyl dashboard into the even cheaper fabric seats.
Would the world become a better place? Who knows? <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
Kill this thread already!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know you win an argument when the other person has nothing else to say than to wish you bodily harm. Hamman get a life, brother.
11-16-2002, 08:50 PM
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11-16-2002, 09:07 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Hamann7:
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There is a reason why German cars are known for their safety. It is generally of paramount importance in building a car by the top marques. You are absolutely nuts if you think a Jap car will hold up better in a crash against a Porsche, BMW or Mercedes in general. Do you have any idea how much time, energy, and money these guys spend on safety engineering? Trust me, a lot more than the Japanese.
Can you honestly tell me that a Lexus LS430 is as safe as a Mercedes S500?
By the same token, I think a lot of reason people buy Porsches is the crashworthiness of the car. Have you ever seen a Jap sports car in a major collision? It's not pretty. There is no doubt in my mind that the 996, even the 993, is better engineered for safety than the Supra-- which is what partially accounts for the price difference.
I never said the Supra was a piece of ****, I only said that it wasn't in the same class. BTW, my disdain for Toyota is equal all across the board, especially with the Lexus, which is nothing but a wannabe Mercedes. I also think that it will take a long time, if EVER, for Toyota to win the F1 championship. Their motors cannot even come close to matching those of Ferrari and BMW. And I hope they never do win!
I have driven a Supra a while back, as well as an NSX. It is not a 996 Turbo, that's all I can say about that. Hey, it's not supposed to be, after all, what can you expect for $40-50K brand new?
You don't see M3 owners claiming that their cars are better than 996TT's, do you?
Don't even get me started with the American sports cars, like the fiberglass bodied Vettes or the cheesy Vipers with their plastic interiors and god awful seating position.
And what I meant by your Honda vs. my 740 sport is a head on collision. Betcha I'll come out ahead <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Like I said, I don't care if the Supra is cheaper and can put out lots of horsepower... You can also supercharge a Mustang to do the trick too, but it does not make the Stang a great sports car.
You know, this is getting so pointless. But let's put it this way... If someone were to say that a tuned 996 Turbo is as good or better of a car than a true supercar Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1, I think most people would laugh. Again, not even on the same level. Hell, even a comparison to the F40 or F50 would be ludicrous. After all, these cars are what many 996 TT owners also collect, or aspire towards.
So herein lies the problem with the thinking that some super rice rocket is as good as Germany's finest.
Show me a tuned Supra or a Skyline that can beat Gemballa's record on the 'Ring and I might see your point.
But since this car doesn't exist, I will be biased in the Porsche's favor. The Gemballa is running something like 550-600hp with an H&R coilover suspension. Not even the Blitz Supra or Skyline with its so-called 750hp could come close to this car!</strong><hr></blockquote>
seems like u're living in the pass. right now, german cars do not hold much of an edge over japanese cars in safety. i do not know which one is safer, ls430 or s500. but if they're about equally as safe, i wouldnt be surprised.
with crash testing getting more and more important, japanese car companies are really catching up. in fact, the bmw e36 and the old audi a4 have pretty bad crash test rating, worse than lots of japanese cars. i aint saying crash test represent 100% of what's going on in the real world, but it is a representation. even the new camry is doing great in crash testing.
however, i do know that some european car companies do a lot of engineering and innvocation, especially bmw and MB. i'm not disputing this, but saying euro cars must be safer than jap cars is a gross generalization.
and no, ppl dont buy porsche becoz of their crashworthiness. just ask anyone here. porsche has never been known as a car that's great in crashes i believe. of course, i'm not saying porsches have bad safety, i'm just saying that they're not the volvo of sports cars.
993 better engineered for safety than the supra? how do u know that? everyone who knows supra knows it has quite a stiff chassis, although the car sqeaks a bit with the top off.
what's wrong with american sports cars? they do well for what their purpose are. the z06 performs almost at the same level of a 996TT, and is much less expensive.
civic vs 740? that's not a fair comparison. civic is much smaller and lighter. and btw, the new civic scores great in crash testing. but of course, i still rather be in the 740 in the event of a crash, no doubt.
supra is much closer to 996 than mustang is close to supra.
the ring's records dont mean as much as u think. first of all, i believe the 996 does have better chassis than supra. however, comparing cars running on such a long track, with so many variables (different driver, different weather, different tires etc) is difficult. i believe techart has a GT street that runs over 600hp, but its time at the ring aint much faster than a stock gt2. what does that tell u? nothing. there are reports that the new NSX type R runs the ring at under 8 min. not bad? does the blitz supra have 750HP? i dobut it, in fact i think that's a bit too much HP for its own good. plus, i'm not even sure blitz was able to use the ring all by itself. how many laps did they run? how good was the driver? how much weight reduction? was it running slicks? i dobut it. i can do some research on this though.
a tuned r34 skyline will definitely do well at the ring. i would like to see blitz brings one there, i dont think they have yet. can it beat the gemballa? i dont know, it may come close, but then again, i do know the 996 has a great chassis.
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There is a reason why German cars are known for their safety. It is generally of paramount importance in building a car by the top marques. You are absolutely nuts if you think a Jap car will hold up better in a crash against a Porsche, BMW or Mercedes in general. Do you have any idea how much time, energy, and money these guys spend on safety engineering? Trust me, a lot more than the Japanese.
Can you honestly tell me that a Lexus LS430 is as safe as a Mercedes S500?
By the same token, I think a lot of reason people buy Porsches is the crashworthiness of the car. Have you ever seen a Jap sports car in a major collision? It's not pretty. There is no doubt in my mind that the 996, even the 993, is better engineered for safety than the Supra-- which is what partially accounts for the price difference.
I never said the Supra was a piece of ****, I only said that it wasn't in the same class. BTW, my disdain for Toyota is equal all across the board, especially with the Lexus, which is nothing but a wannabe Mercedes. I also think that it will take a long time, if EVER, for Toyota to win the F1 championship. Their motors cannot even come close to matching those of Ferrari and BMW. And I hope they never do win!
I have driven a Supra a while back, as well as an NSX. It is not a 996 Turbo, that's all I can say about that. Hey, it's not supposed to be, after all, what can you expect for $40-50K brand new?
You don't see M3 owners claiming that their cars are better than 996TT's, do you?
Don't even get me started with the American sports cars, like the fiberglass bodied Vettes or the cheesy Vipers with their plastic interiors and god awful seating position.
And what I meant by your Honda vs. my 740 sport is a head on collision. Betcha I'll come out ahead <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Like I said, I don't care if the Supra is cheaper and can put out lots of horsepower... You can also supercharge a Mustang to do the trick too, but it does not make the Stang a great sports car.
You know, this is getting so pointless. But let's put it this way... If someone were to say that a tuned 996 Turbo is as good or better of a car than a true supercar Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1, I think most people would laugh. Again, not even on the same level. Hell, even a comparison to the F40 or F50 would be ludicrous. After all, these cars are what many 996 TT owners also collect, or aspire towards.
So herein lies the problem with the thinking that some super rice rocket is as good as Germany's finest.
Show me a tuned Supra or a Skyline that can beat Gemballa's record on the 'Ring and I might see your point.
But since this car doesn't exist, I will be biased in the Porsche's favor. The Gemballa is running something like 550-600hp with an H&R coilover suspension. Not even the Blitz Supra or Skyline with its so-called 750hp could come close to this car!</strong><hr></blockquote>
seems like u're living in the pass. right now, german cars do not hold much of an edge over japanese cars in safety. i do not know which one is safer, ls430 or s500. but if they're about equally as safe, i wouldnt be surprised.
with crash testing getting more and more important, japanese car companies are really catching up. in fact, the bmw e36 and the old audi a4 have pretty bad crash test rating, worse than lots of japanese cars. i aint saying crash test represent 100% of what's going on in the real world, but it is a representation. even the new camry is doing great in crash testing.
however, i do know that some european car companies do a lot of engineering and innvocation, especially bmw and MB. i'm not disputing this, but saying euro cars must be safer than jap cars is a gross generalization.
and no, ppl dont buy porsche becoz of their crashworthiness. just ask anyone here. porsche has never been known as a car that's great in crashes i believe. of course, i'm not saying porsches have bad safety, i'm just saying that they're not the volvo of sports cars.
993 better engineered for safety than the supra? how do u know that? everyone who knows supra knows it has quite a stiff chassis, although the car sqeaks a bit with the top off.
what's wrong with american sports cars? they do well for what their purpose are. the z06 performs almost at the same level of a 996TT, and is much less expensive.
civic vs 740? that's not a fair comparison. civic is much smaller and lighter. and btw, the new civic scores great in crash testing. but of course, i still rather be in the 740 in the event of a crash, no doubt.
supra is much closer to 996 than mustang is close to supra.
the ring's records dont mean as much as u think. first of all, i believe the 996 does have better chassis than supra. however, comparing cars running on such a long track, with so many variables (different driver, different weather, different tires etc) is difficult. i believe techart has a GT street that runs over 600hp, but its time at the ring aint much faster than a stock gt2. what does that tell u? nothing. there are reports that the new NSX type R runs the ring at under 8 min. not bad? does the blitz supra have 750HP? i dobut it, in fact i think that's a bit too much HP for its own good. plus, i'm not even sure blitz was able to use the ring all by itself. how many laps did they run? how good was the driver? how much weight reduction? was it running slicks? i dobut it. i can do some research on this though.
a tuned r34 skyline will definitely do well at the ring. i would like to see blitz brings one there, i dont think they have yet. can it beat the gemballa? i dont know, it may come close, but then again, i do know the 996 has a great chassis.
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Zach, even though I think you are an arrogant dick, I don't wish you to crash your jap piece of s h i t. Just saying you must attract bad karma with all the unnecessary insults that you hurl at everyone just because they don't love rice rockets like you do.
And for those that want to compare safety specs, look at <a href="http://www.crashtest.com." target="_blank">www.crashtest.com.</a> The 993 scored an Excellent rating for injuries, while the Supra wasn't rated. But if you look at the injury rating for the majority of their cars, it doesn't look so good.
I don't think any car is safer than a MB S-Class or a 7er BMW, no, not even the Lexus LS430. Just ask the body shops around LA, where they repair both. The Lex is safe, but the build quality of the large German sedans is incomparable. The large Germans also weigh more.
By the same token, ask them about Porsche safety. Believe it or not, modern Porsches are extremely safe, and they are indeed the Volvo of sports cars. The only 2 door car that may be safer is the MB SL, but that's because it weighs in 4500 pounds.
I for one would like to see the thread that says that 996 or 993 cars are unsafe...
And for those that want to compare safety specs, look at <a href="http://www.crashtest.com." target="_blank">www.crashtest.com.</a> The 993 scored an Excellent rating for injuries, while the Supra wasn't rated. But if you look at the injury rating for the majority of their cars, it doesn't look so good.
I don't think any car is safer than a MB S-Class or a 7er BMW, no, not even the Lexus LS430. Just ask the body shops around LA, where they repair both. The Lex is safe, but the build quality of the large German sedans is incomparable. The large Germans also weigh more.
By the same token, ask them about Porsche safety. Believe it or not, modern Porsches are extremely safe, and they are indeed the Volvo of sports cars. The only 2 door car that may be safer is the MB SL, but that's because it weighs in 4500 pounds.
I for one would like to see the thread that says that 996 or 993 cars are unsafe...