We Need Engine Cores! A rash of huge failures leaves our core bank "Bankrupt"!
02-20-2014, 03:34 PM
#46
Former Vendor
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I've been able to secure 3 cores from here today and have leads on at least 5 more, so something is working. It must be from all the posting stimulus this thread got this morning. There's no such thing as bad press, just ask Martha Stewart! :-)
02-20-2014, 04:10 PM
#47
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I think Flat 6 Innovations rebuild capacity should be noted when comments are made about being "booked for 13 months". Is that 10 engines? 20? While agree that good information is shared, it certainly has an alarmist tone to it and most definitely taints the perception of the 996. Knowing that I have owned multiple 996s, a number of friends have asked me about my perspective after reading these forum posts. In some cases it is enough to deter them from buying the car. Good for the rebuild business, not so good for resale.
So you invented a unique automotive component that is being sold for profit by another company, but you receive zero personal gain from these sales?
That said, I may have invented the IMS Solution and many other things, but these items are not sold by my company. I developed them for use in my engines and then have worked with LN Engineering to sell them to others, so manufacturing them for our engines makes sense, and thats how we get the benefits, by not having to deal with manufacturing or stocking just so we can have the units for the engines we create. There's no revenue stream there for Flat 6 when these items are sold to other shops or etc.
02-20-2014, 04:16 PM
#48
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Last year we produced 42 engines, all built by one pair of hands from start to finish, no mass production. Our maximum capacity is 45 engines, and none of them are stock, each makes at least 35HP more than factory and the majority make 45-65HP more than stock.
We have the demand to do a lot more, but doing so would diminish the quality and care thats required to assemble and test each one as we log 150+ test miles (I do personally) on each car, plus 15-20 dyno runs followed by an exhaustive post-evaluation prior to shipping that takes another full day. Its not about volume, if it was we'd be building a couple hundred a year, which we could more than likely sell with advertising very easily. As it is things are less stressful and better for all involved, while turning out a product thats high quality, which is indicative in the fact that we've only had one warranty repair in the history of the program for a reconstructed engine.
By no means should our backlog be used to judge these engines, because there's lots of places where you can call and get a "cookie cutter" engine delivered in just a couple of weeks, or overnight.
We have the demand to do a lot more, but doing so would diminish the quality and care thats required to assemble and test each one as we log 150+ test miles (I do personally) on each car, plus 15-20 dyno runs followed by an exhaustive post-evaluation prior to shipping that takes another full day. Its not about volume, if it was we'd be building a couple hundred a year, which we could more than likely sell with advertising very easily. As it is things are less stressful and better for all involved, while turning out a product thats high quality, which is indicative in the fact that we've only had one warranty repair in the history of the program for a reconstructed engine.
By no means should our backlog be used to judge these engines, because there's lots of places where you can call and get a "cookie cutter" engine delivered in just a couple of weeks, or overnight.
02-20-2014, 04:38 PM
#49
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In related news, my neighbor, a neonatal intensive care nurse, reports she sees lots of premature babies. Jake sees blown up engines because he fixes blown up engines.
02-20-2014, 04:44 PM
#50
So isn't this creating a HUGE market for LSX V8 swaps?
I think the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different result?
It just seems like with all of the catastrophic engine failures, my first choice would be scrap the 6, and swap in a V8…
That's my plan anyway
I think the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different result?
It just seems like with all of the catastrophic engine failures, my first choice would be scrap the 6, and swap in a V8…
That's my plan anyway
02-20-2014, 05:08 PM
#51
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So isn't this creating a HUGE market for LSX V8 swaps?
I think the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different result?
It just seems like with all of the catastrophic engine failures, my first choice would be scrap the 6, and swap in a V8…
That's my plan anyway
I think the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different result?
It just seems like with all of the catastrophic engine failures, my first choice would be scrap the 6, and swap in a V8…
That's my plan anyway
02-20-2014, 05:12 PM
#52
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Personally I think the flat-six gives the 911 a lot of the character that I love. The LSX motors are a huge amount of power for not much money, I would personally love to drive a swapped 996 before passing judgement but it doesn't seem like a match made in heaven. It's hard to argue with over 400 HP for $10k though.
02-20-2014, 05:12 PM
#53
Three Wheelin'
Let me produce some maths in here.
Total 996's produced ~175,000, total 986's produced ~165,000. Total ~340,000 cars. Hypotethically lets assume 125,000 survived in USA ( I don't know the exact number of imports or how many of 996 were GT3 or Turbo cars. I am taking about 1/3 of the total production number).
Lets take 1% of that number. 1,250 cars. If F6 shop gets maxed out at 45 cars per year and he seems majority of US failures then...he sees 0.036% of 996 and 986 cars per year. Do I need to explain any more about the numbers?
Even if you use 10,000 as surviving number of 996/986 cars then per year Jake would see 0.45% of all cars.
Total 996's produced ~175,000, total 986's produced ~165,000. Total ~340,000 cars. Hypotethically lets assume 125,000 survived in USA ( I don't know the exact number of imports or how many of 996 were GT3 or Turbo cars. I am taking about 1/3 of the total production number).
Lets take 1% of that number. 1,250 cars. If F6 shop gets maxed out at 45 cars per year and he seems majority of US failures then...he sees 0.036% of 996 and 986 cars per year. Do I need to explain any more about the numbers?
Even if you use 10,000 as surviving number of 996/986 cars then per year Jake would see 0.45% of all cars.
02-20-2014, 05:12 PM
#54
Rennlist Member
So isn't this creating a HUGE market for LSX V8 swaps?
I think the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different result?
It just seems like with all of the catastrophic engine failures, my first choice would be scrap the 6, and swap in a V8…
That's my plan anyway
I think the definition of insanity is, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different result?
It just seems like with all of the catastrophic engine failures, my first choice would be scrap the 6, and swap in a V8…
That's my plan anyway
02-20-2014, 05:38 PM
#55
C'mon guys, you do realize that you are holding up Jake and/or Jake is also holding up Jake from actually working and extending that 13month wait into 1 more day of Porscheless life for some poor soul...
02-20-2014, 05:41 PM
#56
02-20-2014, 06:02 PM
#57
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Let me produce some maths in here.
Total 996's produced ~175,000, total 986's produced ~165,000. Total ~340,000 cars. Hypotethically lets assume 125,000 survived in USA ( I don't know the exact number of imports or how many of 996 were GT3 or Turbo cars. I am taking about 1/3 of the total production number).
Lets take 1% of that number. 1,250 cars. If F6 shop gets maxed out at 45 cars per year and he seems majority of US failures then...he sees 0.036% of 996 and 986 cars per year. Do I need to explain any more about the numbers?
Even if you use 10,000 as surviving number of 996/986 cars then per year Jake would see 0.45% of all cars.
Total 996's produced ~175,000, total 986's produced ~165,000. Total ~340,000 cars. Hypotethically lets assume 125,000 survived in USA ( I don't know the exact number of imports or how many of 996 were GT3 or Turbo cars. I am taking about 1/3 of the total production number).
Lets take 1% of that number. 1,250 cars. If F6 shop gets maxed out at 45 cars per year and he seems majority of US failures then...he sees 0.036% of 996 and 986 cars per year. Do I need to explain any more about the numbers?
Even if you use 10,000 as surviving number of 996/986 cars then per year Jake would see 0.45% of all cars.
02-20-2014, 06:03 PM
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02-20-2014, 06:42 PM
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A new LS3 crate motor is $7700 on Summit, I believe the entire Renegade Hybrids kit is similar. You should be able to do it for under $20k if you DIY. If you don't DIY then it's probably not a realistic option anyway, at least not from a financial standpoint. With that said, it seems that Flat Six does excellent work which doesn't come cheap, so I suspect that one of his rebuilds is comparable at a minimum.
Yup. I've owned six M96 powered cars, only my current 2000 996 has a replaced RMS and LN IMS from the previous owner. All have been over 50k mile cars, all dead reliable. Is it a problem - yes. Is it overblown by the internet - yes.
Yup. I've owned six M96 powered cars, only my current 2000 996 has a replaced RMS and LN IMS from the previous owner. All have been over 50k mile cars, all dead reliable. Is it a problem - yes. Is it overblown by the internet - yes.
