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Wow I thought mine was bad and Jake Raby said it was "stage 3." Here are some pictures.
But compared to these mine seems pretty minor. Nickies are not in my budget right now so I found another set of cases with no scoring and will be "refreshing" the engine over the next couple of months. I expect to be all in for less than $5,000 plus my labor. If i can get another 5-10 years and 50,000 miles I will be happy.
11+ years ago when I had my intermix from a cracked head and Jake, my indy and the dealer said I had no choice but to get a new/rebuilt engine I spent about $1,500 in parts and fixing the head and then my labor I I got another 11 years and over 50,000 miles before my recent problems so I am rolling the dice.
Originally Posted by wildbilly32
Yes...yes it is a 996 problem too...
Originally Posted by e30rapidic
I just bought a 996 4S with bad bore score and piston slap as a project....
Rebuilding to a Nickies 4.0, having the heads refreshed with minor porting and installing new injectors.....among a list of other stuff a mile long.
Outside of dyno tuning I will be at $13k USD for parts/services.....with my rebuild labor rate of $0/hr
I have a 1999 and to me this is ridiculous for a $100 k car. To need suffer with bore scoring, crack cylinders, ims and crank seals, ims bearings, aos, cracked coil packs, cracked coolant reservoirs, rattling mufflers, seat belt sensors, rattling hard top, leaking spark plug tubes, crappy thermostats temps, water pumps to replaced at 60k miles, what else? These cars are a bad value. Fun to drive ... but really to pay out off pocket to fix a badly engineered design car is stupid. I’ve enjoyed mine but really these cars are a roll of the dice. A ppi doesn’t guaranty or mean that bore scoring won’t start 6 months after you purchase your car.
Yeah my piston didn't look near as bad as e30's looks, but it was "clacking" pretty badly! Jake has a good recording of my car on his youtube channel Rennvision. Titled: Bill's 996 C4S Arrives..."
Originally Posted by Dharn55
Wow I thought mine was bad and Jake Raby said it was "stage 3." Here are some pictures.
But compared to these mine seems pretty minor. Nickies are not in my budget right now so I found another set of cases with no scoring and will be "refreshing" the engine over the next couple of months. I expect to be all in for less than $5,000 plus my labor. If i can get another 5-10 years and 50,000 miles I will be happy.
11+ years ago when I had my intermix from a cracked head and Jake, my indy and the dealer said I had no choice but to get a new/rebuilt engine I spent about $1,500 in parts and fixing the head and then my labor I I got another 11 years and over 50,000 miles before my recent problems so I am rolling the dice.
I have a 1999 and to me this is ridiculous for a $100 k car. To need suffer with bore scoring, crack cylinders, ims and crank seals, ims bearings, aos, cracked coil packs, cracked coolant reservoirs, rattling mufflers, seat belt sensors, rattling hard top, leaking spark plug tubes, crappy thermostats temps, water pumps to replaced at 60k miles, what else? These cars are a bad value. Fun to drive ... but really to pay out off pocket to fix a badly engineered design car is stupid. I’ve enjoyed mine but really these cars are a roll of the dice. A ppi doesn’t guaranty or mean that bore scoring won’t start 6 months after you purchase your car.
Edmonds total cost over 5 years for a 2020 Carrera is $96k for years 1-5, based on a purchase of $120k. So at least the items you mentioned above are about 1/2 the total cost of ownership.
Wow I thought mine was bad and Jake Raby said it was "stage 3." Here are some pictures.
But compared to these mine seems pretty minor. Nickies are not in my budget right now so I found another set of cases with no scoring and will be "refreshing" the engine over the next couple of months. I expect to be all in for less than $5,000 plus my labor. If i can get another 5-10 years and 50,000 miles I will be happy.
11+ years ago when I had my intermix from a cracked head and Jake, my indy and the dealer said I had no choice but to get a new/rebuilt engine I spent about $1,500 in parts and fixing the head and then my labor I I got another 11 years and over 50,000 miles before my recent problems so I am rolling the dice.
Feel like that is a great value if you can be all in for 5k and get another 5-10 years out of it.
I have a 1999 and to me this is ridiculous for a $100 k car. To need suffer with bore scoring, crack cylinders, ims and crank seals, ims bearings, aos, cracked coil packs, cracked coolant reservoirs, rattling mufflers, seat belt sensors, rattling hard top, leaking spark plug tubes, crappy thermostats temps, water pumps to replaced at 60k miles, what else? These cars are a bad value. Fun to drive ... but really to pay out off pocket to fix a badly engineered design car is stupid. I’ve enjoyed mine but really these cars are a roll of the dice. A ppi doesn’t guaranty or mean that bore scoring won’t start 6 months after you purchase your car.
^^^ No it doesn't, better run out and get a Toyota Carolla... hurry!
All cars will eventually breakdown with something that is unique to the model. 993, 964, etc. It's inevitable. No car will run forever without problems. None. Zero. Zilch.
I'll happily keep my 02 and have the engine rebuilt when it goes. And it will eventually go. In the meantime, I'll do everything in my control to prolong and prevent. I've driven all the new Porsche's at Barber Motorsports on the track and while I am impressed with the speed, automation and technological nanny stuff, they are not as much fun as our 996s. There is no analog, mechanical feel. They are big, heavy and neutral. Fast, very fast, but not as much fun to drive.
Enjoy the 996 for what it is. A great car that will eventually need an engine rebuilt. Just like every 993, 964 and Toyota Camry if you choose to keep it long enough.
All cars will eventually breakdown with something that is unique to the model. 993, 964, etc. It's inevitable. No car will run forever without problems. None. Zero. Zilch.
I'll happily keep my 02 and have the engine rebuilt when it goes. And it will eventually go. In the meantime, I'll do everything in my control to prolong and prevent. I've driven all the new Porsche's at Barber Motorsports on the track and while I am impressed with the speed, automation and technological nanny stuff, they are not as much fun as our 996s. There is no analog, mechanical feel. They are big, heavy and neutral. Fast, very fast, but not as much fun to drive.
Enjoy the 996 for what it is. A great car that will eventually need an engine rebuilt. Just like every 993, 964 and Toyota Camry if you choose to keep it long enough.
I agree but I think there is a difference between a car dying at 100k, 200k+ miles or having your engine disintegrate at 40k. Plenty of cars have their weak spots, especially sports cars but the M96 seems especially prone to catastrophic damage that can happen at 5k miles or 250k miles.
Can't argue with your point especially for 80-100k a new car 20 years ago. However, Porsche tells us that over 70% of all Porsches ever produced are still on the road or garage, and that number arguably may be closer to 80% of all 911s. This is not the case for BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Toyota, etc.
As such, the older the car the more the problems, and when you subscribe to Rennlist, you get the problems fed to you in a concentrated manner thru a firehose.
The point I am making is that not all 996/986/997/987 have the engine problems. My 02 996 is 19 years old. 55k miles. I have tracked it over an estimated 80x. Stayed on top of every potential issue and have had a blast with it. Maybee I am lucky, or maybee the odds are that a smaller portion of these engines go catastrophic than we may believe. I wish I had concrete stats to give you by timeline how many go bad and when. But I don't.
What I do know is that once my engine goes catastrophic, and I hope it's not for a few more years, but once it does, I will give Jake a call and get it rebuilt so I can have the car for another 19 years to enjoy.
Yep, I bet Porsche is wishing they did things a little differently with every car they ever produced. But all in all, in my humble opinion, I would buy my 996 all over again.
After following this forum for 2 years, reading and watching everything about 996s, and then listening to 2.5 hours of great, detailed, discussion from experts in the field in Part 1, I now find myself asking why some M96/97 engines DON'T get bore scoring more than asking why some DO! I personally think the majority, if not all, will eventually suffer the fate if they don't to some degree already. Possibly many have asymptomatic scoring? some may only present with some excess oil consumption? acceptable "lifter tick" sound? who knows. Can you really escape it with proper gasoline, proper warm up routine, fresh injectors, accelerated oil changes, etc. I am in the lucky group so far, having put almost 30k miles on a now 50k mile 03 4s. No signs of it, barely burn any oil, healthy UOA......but why?
I have a 1999 and to me this is ridiculous for a $100 k car. To need suffer with bore scoring, crack cylinders, ims and crank seals, ims bearings, aos, cracked coil packs, cracked coolant reservoirs, rattling mufflers, seat belt sensors, rattling hard top, leaking spark plug tubes, crappy thermostats temps, water pumps to replaced at 60k miles, what else? These cars are a bad value. Fun to drive ... but really to pay out off pocket to fix a badly engineered design car is stupid. I’ve enjoyed mine but really these cars are a roll of the dice. A ppi doesn’t guaranty or mean that bore scoring won’t start 6 months after you purchase your car.
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