Tango635

Bruce Anderson seems to be a pretty smart guy. i don't think he is simply making numbers up. I think he is getting data somehow, somewhere, but the data is not representative of what most of us see here on rennlist. But to counter point, there have been a few great deals lately, like there always is. I saw a 'Lister to 'Lister sale of a nice C2S for $32k for example. However, these type deals are not common from what I can see. It would be nice if we could fix it or at least explain why there is such a discrepancy. I'm all for letter writing. And if we can influence Bruce Anderson a little, maybe that in turn will bring up valuations in KBB?

95 C4 993

Email Bruce and ask him how he comes up with his valuation.

bruce1485@aol.com

cabrio993

he may be too busy... smoking his pipe to come up with more valuation figures.

ABCar

Here is my e mail to Bruce:

Hi Bruce

There seems to be a lot of discussion regarding your valuations in Excellence Magazine of the 993.

I am sure you get this every month from owners of different Porsche iterations, but your values seem low in comparison to what many of us have been seeing online. Granted, posted prices are not always received, yet it would not account for such a large gap.

The disscussion is on Rennlist 993 discussion forum...

Perhaps you are willing to chime in? (You could be the latest goldfish in the Pirranah tank!)

Anyways, as a 993 owner who recently paid alot for my car (yes, I overpaid at a dealer and knew it going in) I am curious about your thoughts.

Thank you for taking my e-mail and as a long time Porsche car owner, I have benefitted much from your contributions and knowlede.

I think that Bruce has contributed alot to the Porsche world and regardless of his opinions on 993 values. Therefore I am deferring to his "much better than mine" knowledge and not making too many assumptions to start out.

DaveM993

My favorite post from another "Bruce Anderson" thread.

DaveM993

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-anderson.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...e-blew-it.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...xcellence.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...s-are-low.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-on-crack.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-go-again.html

justin993

maybe has something to do with the agenda of PCNA.

ilko

If that were the case, I'd think PCNA would put a lot of pressure on PCA as well. But the valuations I've gotten from PCA are quite high. Both my RSA and the C4S were in the the mid $40K range.

Besides, why would PCNA want to devalue their cars? It's bad for business.

TMc993

I don't understand all the angst. If you own a 993 and you have no interest in selling it, then has no cash value other than what minimal amount a bank might loan you with ithe car as collateral. If you're going to sell it, then do as the OP stated in his first post...Stand by your price until you get it...Or not.

Just MHO...

Terry

Rinty

Maybe Bruce found out about Zedder's deal and factored the same discount into the values of all the other models.

mjsporsche

I think Terry captured what should be the spirit of this thread.

This reminds me of conversations 3 years ago about the value of real estate. We all know today's realities.

DaveM993

I have heard of insurance companies pulling out his numbers....

cabrio993

+993. There is no angst, but that's my biggest concern, that someone will take his lunatic non-realistic numbers seriously.

Van1

For the most part I agree. I know I have no interest in selling my 993 anytime soon. However, there is another side to these valuations besides selling. When somebody plows into me, you, or anybody else here out on the street sometime, it's not going to be good when the insurance company starts using valuations based on some wack old man's numbers pulled out of a hat. And I'll bet that BA has some credibility with the insurance companies.

jhubs

I would like to quote Bruce Anderson in the last issue of Excellence, but I already threw (recycled) the magazine away. His quote went something like this... if you had to choose between a 993 and a 997... he made it clear that there was really no choice... a 997.

Bruce is a smart guy and has provided a lot of knowledge base to the Porsche world, but he seems to not realize or recognize that the the 993 is the car that pulled Porsche's a$$ out of red ink in 1995 and that the 993 is arguably the most beautiful Porsche ever made.

My good friend and next door neighbor just purchased a Speed Yellow 2003 996. It is a beautiful car (for a slab sided Porsche) and the sticker price in 2003 was around $80k and then the owner proceeded to put $10-15k into it. My friend purchased it 3 months ago for $29k with 39K miles on the clock.

This summer, our local Porsche dealer discounted every sticker price of every 911 Porsche on the lot by $20k. They still didn't sell. Porsche has had some real issues with the design of their 911s since 1999 (996 & 997).

The Boxster made Porsche profitable beginning in 1997 and continued its economic success with the Cayman and Cayman S.

Face it the 911 is a dying model because of the price and the design and Bruce and Excellence is just attempting to keep it afloat by systematically devaluing the the older 911 models.

Where was I going with this...??? The 993 will be the design that Porsche has to look back to in order to regain the popularity of the next 911 series (remember the Mustang?).

Hold on to your 993s very, very tight because they are the future! More than the monetary value, the 993 will always have a superior aesthetic value. IMHO.