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Old 06-12-2008, 01:20 PM
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It is not going to work out. I am really sorry about that.

Some months ago Matt asked me if my car was available. It was. It is a nicely set up DE-dedicated 993 with a newly rebuilt motor. That is how, I thought, I described it and what, I thought, Matt wanted. He bought it and just recently picked it up.

It was not at all what Matt wanted. This is a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable. He wants, I now know, something far more pristine.

I tried to meet him when he picked the car up because I was expecting him to be pleased with it and I wanted to see him off. I am sorry. His reaction was a major surprise to both of us. But the money is spent and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am not going to get into a pissing match about this. Matt, I wish I had sold the car to anyone else. I know you are deeply disappointed.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence_P View Post
It is not going to work out. I am really sorry about that.

Some months ago Matt asked me if my car was available. It was. It is a nicely set up DE-dedicated 993 with a newly rebuilt motor. That is how, I thought, I described it and what, I thought, Matt wanted. He bought it and just recently picked it up.

It was not at all what Matt wanted. This is a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable. He wants, I now know, something far more pristine.

I tried to meet him when he picked the car up because I was expecting him to be pleased with it and I wanted to see him off. I am sorry. His reaction was a major surprise to both of us. But the money is spent and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am not going to get into a pissing match about this. Matt, I wish I had sold the car to anyone else. I know you are deeply disappointed.
Wha?

Not that it's any of my business... BUT... Were there no pictures exchanged? Was there no mention of the chips and scratches? Did you guys not talk about the condition of the car at all? I don't know if I would necessarily draw the line from "a nicely set up DE-dedicated 993 with a newly rebuilt motor" to "a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable". If I had expected the former and received the latter, I would probably be pretty disappointed too. Did you ever mention any of the stuff from the latter description to him before he bought it?
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:40 PM
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Wow - just that one sentence, "This is a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable. ", if spoken at the beginning of the process, would have seemed to put everyone on the same page. Crazy how it got to this point.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:48 PM
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An adult chooses to buy a car without seeing it and is surprised it's not what he expected?

That seems like a totally predictable outcome.

Am I missing something here?
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence_P View Post
It is not going to work out. I am really sorry about that.

Some months ago Matt asked me if my car was available. It was. It is a nicely set up DE-dedicated 993 with a newly rebuilt motor. That is how, I thought, I described it and what, I thought, Matt wanted. He bought it and just recently picked it up.

It was not at all what Matt wanted. This is a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable. He wants, I now know, something far more pristine.

I tried to meet him when he picked the car up because I was expecting him to be pleased with it and I wanted to see him off. I am sorry. His reaction was a major surprise to both of us. But the money is spent and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am not going to get into a pissing match about this. Matt, I wish I had sold the car to anyone else. I know you are deeply disappointed.
The car certainly looked great from the pics you posted 2.5 years ago. Have you driven the **** out of it since?


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Old 06-12-2008, 02:05 PM
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Wow. This could get ugly. As always, there are two sides. Hopefully there is some middle ground here.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AOW162435 View Post
The car certainly looked great from the pics you posted 2.5 years ago. Have you driven the **** out of it since?


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I agree. Sure looks nice with all the options added. And all along it was clear from his post that he tracked the car.

Not really sure why the big surprise.







Was it not priced accordingly?? Would be good to hear from the buyer why the disconnect?
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by centerpunch View Post
An adult chooses to buy a car without seeing it and is surprised it's not what he expected?

That seems like a totally predictable outcome.

Am I missing something here?
That's overly simplistic don't you think? I've bought four of the five cars I've owned in the past three years, three of which were 993s, sight unseen out of the US with no major issues.

Matt: You've got PM.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:23 PM
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Those pictures are dated 03/07 from the original posting....looks pretty good. If it was indeed serviced by Dan Jacobs aka Hairydoggrrage.com the buyer can at least take some solace that they seem to have a good reputation here on Rennlist.

Dirty and some scratches? C'mon....drop a few hundred on a detail, drive it and be happy...dark colors show everything so it's probably not as bad as you think.

Collingwood was home for me once....get out on those awesome blue mountain hilly, twisty roads, take that thing on a spirited ride up to Tobermory and forget the aesthetics!
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:32 PM
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This all hinges on a few things. Depending what was spoken between parties, agreed price, and the 'real' pictures sent over to the buyer along with clauses when received. There is still Matt's story to be heard. This will be interesting.

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Old 06-12-2008, 03:01 PM
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"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by centerpunch View Post
An adult chooses to buy a car without seeing it and is surprised it's not what he expected?

That seems like a totally predictable outcome.

Am I missing something here?
+1

As we have not heard Matt's side, this will get even more interesting, I'm sure. But, Matt, I have to ask; why didn't you ask a Rennlister to check out the car for you? I would have gladdy driven to CT for a Rennlister.
I am confused about is the two separate descriptions of the vehicle. Is #1 the seller's pre sale description and #2 the seller's post sale description?

Description #1
It is a nicely set up DE-dedicated 993 with a newly rebuilt motor.

Description #2
This is a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:14 PM
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Hope things work out for you...

Don't buy sight unseen though..

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/399896-ot-becareful-buying-sight-unseen.html
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Carrera SC View Post
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As we have not heard Matt's side, this will get even more interesting, I'm sure. But, Matt, I have to ask; why didn't you ask a Rennlister to check out the car for you? I would have gladdy driven to CT for a Rennlister.
I am confused about is the two separate descriptions of the vehicle. Is #1 the seller's pre sale description and #2 the seller's post sale description?

Description #1
It is a nicely set up DE-dedicated 993 with a newly rebuilt motor.

Description #2
This is a dirty, chipped, scratched car with good suspension and drivetrain that is fast and dependable.
Reading both statements, i would conclude that this is a dirty scratched car. Since its a DE car, it will not be a garage queen. Anyone who has run at least once on the track knows how their nose needs a respray after that... The keyword here is DEDICATED DE car. Q-tip types should not apply here.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:49 PM
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Hopefully the price was a fair one for a car in the condition that it is. If it was, Im sure that it can be resold at a reasonable price. Best of luck. I really hate to see this situation. I will say that I have bought 2 M3's, 3-911's, X5, 540 and other cars found online and I have driven or flown to see (or flew a friend to see it in the case of a 011) each one prior to purchasing. I know that one mans trash is another mans treasure so to speak. I am not overly partictular on paint etc and Im sure that what I would consider really nice, someone (like Andreas maybe would consider to be rough. Either way, hopefully this will work out for Matt.
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