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Old 08-25-2023, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Britzky9
This one is puzzling...maybe it's all that Canadian smoke?

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RNM at $165k + $5k
  • Chassis: WP0AA2994WS320420
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  • 34k Kilometers (~21k Miles) Shown
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  • Motor Sound Package
  • Front Sport Seats
  • M030 Sport Suspension
  • Aerokit Front & Rear Spoilers
  • 18" Hollow-Spoke Technology Wheels
I don’t follow WB prices too closely, but why do you guys think this car is over-priced? It has 21,000 miles and sport seats. Duty is 2.85% and brokerage is $395. Shipping costs are the same per mile from Canada or the US. So, $165k plus $4700 plus $395 = $170,100 approx. Wouldn’t a 21,000 mile WB in the US go for more on BAT.
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Old 08-25-2023, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Onami
I don’t follow WB prices too closely, but why do you guys think this car is over-priced? It has 21,000 miles and sport seats. Duty is 2.85% and brokerage is $395. Shipping costs are the same per mile from Canada or the US. So, $165k plus $4700 plus $395 = $170,100 approx. Wouldn’t a 21,000 mile WB in the US go for more on BAT.
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From what I have seen, that does not carry a premium, plus the additional costs you mentioned...

Yes, a 21k mile WB S, with sport seats and Aero (depending on preference), could go for much more depending on number of bidders.
Old 08-25-2023, 03:05 PM
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[most of the Canadian Porsche we see here are super rusted to the point that we junk the bodies . I’m wondering why such of high price for a regular 993 with a few add ons. But in a hype market, there’s always victims. If you want to hack the price of a classic car. Just take to a familiar auction and have a friend bid to ridicule price then, Pay the fees but the tittle never changes hands or gets change to the actual owners other company name. Yes it have happened in Porsche market a lot. But that’s my opinion and don’t care what yours is. QUOTE=Onami;18979400]I don’t follow WB prices too closely, but why do you guys think this car is over-priced? It has 21,000 miles and sport seats. Duty is 2.85% and brokerage is $395. Shipping costs are the same per mile from Canada or the US. So, $165k plus $4700 plus $395 = $170,100 approx. Wouldn’t a 21,000 mile WB in the US go for more on BAT.[/QUOTE]
Old 08-25-2023, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Onami
I don’t follow WB prices too closely, but why do you guys think this car is over-priced? It has 21,000 miles and sport seats. Duty is 2.85% and brokerage is $395. Shipping costs are the same per mile from Canada or the US. So, $165k plus $4700 plus $395 = $170,100 approx. Wouldn’t a 21,000 mile WB in the US go for more on BAT.
Personally, I am surprised this didn't sell- and I don't think it's over-priced. What I wonder is where the reserve was set- maybe is very close to this price, maybe the reserve was $ 200K. All we know is the owner wanted more than was offered.
Old 08-25-2023, 07:51 PM
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I will say from experience, many American buyers don’t want to deal with importing. It’s funny, because in the muscle car and antique motorcycle worlds, I haven’t encountered the same hesitancy. Not really sure why, as it is a easy process using a broker. Maybe it is as simple as there are enough US cars right now to satisfy demand, so why bother unless it is something really special? That said, most Canadian buyer’s prefer Canadian cars. I could care less where it was sold new as they are all German to me 😜

As for rusty Canadian 993’s…can’t say that I have seen one personally. Many of our sports cars are put away for the winter and our summers are short and not too hot, so I find Canadian interiors normally to be in nicer shape than some cars from very hot climates. Obviously, not all 993’s were put away for the winter when new, but I’d bet the Lion’s share were. Worst rust I’ve seen on a 993 was on a Florida coast car that was poorly stored. Ironically, it was in Canada!

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Old 08-25-2023, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Onami
I will say from experience, many American buyers don’t want to deal with importing. It’s funny, because in the muscle car and antique motorcycle worlds, I haven’t encountered the same hesitancy. Not really sure why, as it is a easy process using a broker. Maybe it is as simple as there are enough US cars right now to satisfy demand, so why bother unless it is something really special? That said, most Canadian buyer’s prefer Canadian cars. I could care less where it was sold new as they are all German to me 😜

As for rusty Canadian 993’s…can’t say that I have seen one personally. Many of our sports cars are put away for the winter and our summers are short and not too hot, so I find Canadian interiors normally to be in nicer shape than some cars from very hot climates. Obviously, not all 993’s were put away for the winter when new, but I’d bet the Lion’s share were. Worst rust I’ve seen on a 993 was on a Florida coast car that was poorly stored. Ironically, it was in Canada!
I’m glad you are the northern friendly representative. So you never seen a rusty Porsche in Canada, amazing. Florida snow is the culprit. All jokes a side, we see many Canadian Porsche with so much rust is sad. They spray undercoating to the point the car catch fire.. we try to clean a 993 turbo with dry ice, wow , chunks of metal with undercoating all over the floor. We don’t ever clean anything from up north. Best of luck with your collection. I’m sure you have a helper lay Carpet to protect from driving into town. 😂😂🤣😊😂
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I personally wouldn't deal with the import process. Don't care if other people say it's easy. Nothing is ever easy.
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Old 08-28-2023, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by B-Line
I personally wouldn't deal with the import process. Don't care if other people say it's easy. Nothing is ever easy.
I've done it dozens of times and have never had a problem. I've done it twice this year both into Canada and into the US. Use a broker and they make sure it goes smoothly.
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Old 08-28-2023, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by B-Line
I personally wouldn't deal with the import process. Don't care if other people say it's easy. Nothing is ever easy.
I've bought from the USA and Canada and imported to Germany about 15 cars, mostly air-cooled Porsche 911 without any problems.
I bought the cars by myself and had an agent in Germany for all paperwork and tax duties.

Frankly I don't understand why this would be a problem to handle. May be it was difficult in the 1970's but not in 2023 or during the last 20 years.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:26 PM
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I live 3 miles from the border here in Lewiston.

If anyone needs a person to help at the border give a shout,
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"Most Canadian Porsches are rusty". Nothing like painting all with one brush. Because of course Canadian winters are worse than winters elsewhere. As @Onami said, many if not most store cars in inclement months. Just as in other countries. And yes, some here actually drive their Porsches in winter, again just like other countries. Crazy, ain't it?

I will say that in many markets, a "home market" car is worth more all else being equal.
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Originally Posted by timothymoffat
"Most Canadian Porsches are rusty". Nothing like painting all with one brush. Because of course Canadian winters are worse than winters elsewhere. As @Onami said, many if not most store cars in inclement months. Just as in other countries. And yes, some here actually drive their Porsches in winter, again just like other countries. Crazy, ain't it?

I will say that in many markets, a "home market" car is worth more all else being equal.
You won't see many classic Porsche 911 driven in Germany from Oktober until April next year. A classic 911 is usually a third or fourth car.
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$ 300K with an hour and change to go- unreal.
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$ 300K with an hour and change to go- unreal.
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So what does this do to the value of our WB's?

- I guess, nothing. lol.


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