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[QUOTE=Gbos1] The C2S no it’s just a NB in a WB shell.[QUOTE]
that's not what I said...
[QUOTE=Gbos1] WB cars have always brought the money as far far fewer were produced as opposed to the NB cars which were plentiful. [QUOTE]
No one is arguing that point. but thank you captain OBVIOUS...
Originally Posted by Gbos1
I had “have” the money (sunk over $70k into my C4S and have all receipts to prove it) to buy a Turbo and opted not to and prefer the Naturally Aspirated exhaust sound over the muffled Turbo sound. Turbo performance is just different. WB curves are much sexier regardless. So good try hoss…
[QUOTE=Astro_Train;18714653][QUOTE=Gbos1] The C2S no it’s just a NB in a WB shell.[QUOTE]
that's not what I said...
[QUOTE=Gbos1] WB cars have always brought the money as far far fewer were produced as opposed to the NB cars which were plentiful.
No one is arguing that point. but thank you captain OBVIOUS...
sounds like you bought the wrong car then..
Actually I didn’t. At the time I purchased the best one C4S available from Porsche Classic directly with 27k original miles and “made it my own.” If I could do it all over again I would the same exact way.
Bought in May of 2021 at $127k + fees
Sold in March of 2023 at $130k + fees (added about 2k miles)
Side note: Been following along pretty closely in the GT3 / RS for sale thread (I want one)...which is essentially the same type of content as this thread, yet no one ever chimes in with "valuation threads don't belong here" and it seems while asking prices are still inflated, there have been a number of RNM or cars sold at 10%-15% below original ask. What is interesting is that inventory availability is really low. Was tracking the market last summer and there were about 20 GT3 .1 or .2 available...today there's probably less than 7, maybe less than 5 with no issues, but that could be a seasonality factor?
Just did a quick scan of Autotrader for 993 C2S / C4S...inventory is low yet the dealer asking prices are, well...here's some of the highlights:
We'll probably get a better gauge after that BaT auction closes.
#1 Each of those dealers is a random dealer of which most of us have never heard.
#2 Each of those cars are priced at least $40k over likely selling price.
#3 = 1 + 2 = long hold before they move.
Could someone here explain why there is so much obvious conflict between people who prefer a NB 993 over a WB 993 or the opposite?
Also, why is there so much dispute over the value or quality between the 993s and the 993 4s - besides the production numbers?
I looked up the original prices for both stock cars in late 1996 (Germany prices at the time in DM not EURO yet):
993 s = DM 137.500
993 4s = DM 159.800
Most orders included additional equipment, probably around DM 20.000 on average.
These two cars are different in quite some ways.
It almost seems like comparing a BMW E30 M3 with a BMW E30 320IS, only because they got the same engine (320IS for Italian market btw.)
Last edited by My993_4s_Dave; 03-30-2023 at 06:07 AM.
Could someone here explain why there is so much obvious conflict between people who prefer a NB 993 over a WB 993 or the opposite?
Also, why is there so much dispute over the value or quality between the 993s and the 993 4s - besides the production numbers?
I looked up the original prices for both stock cars in late 1996 (Germany prices at the time in DM not EURO yet):
993 s = DM 137.500
993 4s = DM 159.800
Most orders included additional equipment, probably around DM 20.000 on average.
These two cars are different in quite some ways.
It almost seems like comparing a BMW E30 M3 with a BMW E30 320IS, only because they got the same engine (320IS for Italian market btw.)
Honestly, I don't think there is much conflict between people who prefer NB or WB. It's mostly one inflammatory person that is constantly pushing the 4S as the greatest thing on the planet and everyone else is a peasant or a poseur.
Honestly, I don't think there is much conflict between people who prefer NB or WB. It's mostly one inflammatory person that is constantly pushing the 4S as the greatest thing on the planet and everyone else is a peasant or a poseur.
I think you can figure out who...
They are all wonderful cars and very much more similar than they are different. When WB cars increased in value over NB cars I think there were some who tried to rationalize the cost of their cars as something other than production number differences.
I purposely went for the 4s because I didn't want to hassle with Turbos and their associated maintenance and cost, BUT wanted some of the TT features like the braking system including Big reds, the larger suspension components and yes the WB look. to each their own- they're all nice cars. NOW, Can we put the arrows down and get back to gawking at WB prices?
Honestly, I don't think there is much conflict between people who prefer NB or WB. It's mostly one inflammatory person that is constantly pushing the 4S as the greatest thing on the planet and everyone else is a peasant or a poseur.
most, if not all, of that i believe is tongue in cheek. it's ridiculous to argue which model is superior when both are near the pinnacle for aircooled road cars. who gives a **** which one you have. enjoy it and just be happy you have a WB and not just a NB.
WP0AA299XVS320534
C4S
41,878 miles
Pastel Yellow $199,898
Sport Seats
Question for the educated forum... What is a realistic price for this car? I kinda like the color and it has the options Iam looking for. I have been looking for a white C4S or C2S and haven't found the right one yet but this PY one is interesting. Thoughts?
Could someone here explain why there is so much obvious conflict between people who prefer a NB 993 over a WB 993 or the opposite?
Also, why is there so much dispute over the value or quality between the 993s and the 993 4s - besides the production numbers?
I looked up the original prices for both stock cars in late 1996 (Germany prices at the time in DM not EURO yet):
993 s = DM 137.500
993 4s = DM 159.800
Most orders included additional equipment, probably around DM 20.000 on average.
These two cars are different in quite some ways.
It almost seems like comparing a BMW E30 M3 with a BMW E30 320IS, only because they got the same engine (320IS for Italian market btw.)
like some folks here said, I don’t think there’s much of a “feud” or conflict between NB and WB owners. I like both variations of the cars. I’m also a price conscious person. 7-8 years ago the price different wasn’t much where buying a WB over a NB was a deal breaker. Today it is for lots of folks even if they have cash to do buy a WB.
I own a WB 997.2 and do love the wider body on this gen but I don’t shame nor think my car is superior to a NB 997.
On the 993, the NB is the one I focused on as my plan was to modify the car just enough where finding a perfect example wasn’t so important as long as the mechanicals were good on the car. Each 993 car has its own unique look to them and when done right, a NB car can look aggressive in its own way. It’s not bout trying to be a WB car. Although borrowing certain parts from its WB version is necessary IMO because the WB did come better off the factory. Some purist prefer their cars to be OEM and that’s fine. I’m somewhere in between.
I plan on purchasing a WB in the future as my final goal is to own 2 993s and keep my 997.2.
So to answer your question I think it’s situational based on each owner and what their end goal is with their car. We all love the 993. It is special, because it incorporates the best the air cool era had to offer. Their numbers will continue to dwindle over time. So that makes even better. To me it’s the best 911 ever made.
My NB with turbo bumper. 997.1 wheels. 295s in the rears. I’m looking to borrow some ideas from the two cars below. The red 993 below is owned by a member here on the forums. He’s changed the set up in the rears recently as this was a bit too aggressive for his taste as he wrote on a separate thread. This NB 993 has the side skirts. Aggressive set up and also having the turbo S lip and front bumper cover. A NB 993. Custom car but OEM body with turbo bumper. 18x11s in the rear. Again this is what I love bout the NB. While I like it in its OEM form, with some modifications it can look aggressive.
lol actually not true, 3.8 RSR #029 was delivered to me over a year after that. It’s currently in the Brumos Museum. Interestingly enough, #030 was purchased and delivered in ‘98 as the last serial numbered RSR but no one wanted 029 with the new R’s coming out. CS
What an amazing coincidence, I am the current owner of 029, and as you narrated the car spent much of its life in the Brumos Museum, so still very low milage. I also have the Porsche documents showing the car left the factory Dec 16, 1998, as you specified, headed to you.
I have been trying to collate the car's full history, and you are the big missing link, do you mind if I send you a PM so we can compare notes on the car?
03-29-2023, 05:51 PM
and it seems while asking prices are still inflated, there have been a number of RNM or cars sold at 10%-15% below original ask. What is interesting is that inventory availability is really low. Was tracking the market last summer and there were about 20 GT3 .1 or .2 available...today there's probably less than 7, maybe less than 5 with no issues, but that could be a seasonality factor?
