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Old 10-09-2019, 10:10 AM
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I have never seen an 0R case half before.

I am interested in hearing what you find out about it. Might be an early 94-95 case the US spec 993 96-98 I have seen are all like my 96 .03/.04R case halves. This my 96 993 engine half I am installing a 964 Tip engine today I will check the numbering and post some pics if it helps later.

Old 10-09-2019, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nothingbutgt3
"whoever stops is lost"
I'm already looking for a engine block 964.

In this regard, I wonder what are the differences between the codes

964.101.112/111.0R
964.101.112/111.1R
964.101.112/111.2R
964.101.112/111.3R
964.101.112/111.4R
.......

And what are the codes of a genuine 3,8 RS engine block
My 1995 Supercup 3.8 engine has 964.101.112.3R. Same as 3.8 RS.
Old 10-09-2019, 10:37 AM
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So memory did not serve me well. The cases with 111 are left side and 112 are right.

Here is the US spec 91 late build engine numbers




Intersecting my 96 with matching case numbering uses a.2R & .3 R

Now you have me wondering what the differences are.
My case halves do have the same 4 digit code marking both halves



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Old 10-09-2019, 11:01 AM
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checking right now the PET where now I realise no distinction is made, as usually is, between right and left side: the right side and the left side of the engine block are designated with the same identical part number (in the PET), which, among other things, is different from the one phyisically stamped on the two halves.

This is a mistery, but I bet someone here already know how to solve the enigma.
Old 10-11-2019, 10:09 AM
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Does it play a significant role a DLC coating regarding crankshaft, connecting rod pins, rocker shafts? Whatelse could be give benefits if DLF coated?

And how many Nm torque and/or HP could result from the removal of the power steering assistance pump?

The break off point was serial number 62M06837 for the M64.01, 5 speed engines and 62M52758 for the M64.02 tiptronic engine.
I found a 964 engine crankcase whose number is 62L099xx: would be this crank out of danger fragility / defects?

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Old 10-11-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by nothingbutgt3
checking right now the PET where now I realise no distinction is made, as usually is, between right and left side: the right side and the left side of the engine block are designated with the same identical part number (in the PET), which, among other things, is different from the one phyisically stamped on the two halves.
PAG never sold the left and right halves separately? And as-is the case (yes, it can be maddening) with all metal Porsche parts, the numbers on the block are the casting numbers, used for tracking prior to machining. A single casting could be turned into 8 different part numbers.
Old 10-13-2019, 03:25 PM
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Looking for many things at the same time, I was just wondering what would be the best set to install onto a CUP or RSR tribute

I was really thinking to install a set of BBS E88, but then I saw a set of Magnesium E28 installed on a true 993 RSR and...were the E28 the original rsr wheels? What were the sizes, front 9,5j and rear 11j? Is it possible in the front there was a set of 265 tyres and in the rear a set of 295?
Old 10-14-2019, 10:12 AM
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I finally managed to find a perfectly working 993 VR Euro specs Motronic engine management.

The Motronic is equipped with cartronic inside.
Now my question is, how can I manage to make the original remote control operate and communicate with the alarm control unit which is inside the motronic? Is there a code registered inside the Motronic I must use to make remote control unit and cartronic communicate?
The other question is: what are the differences between its original European 95 pre-varioram motronic and a 96 version?
The connectors are both 55 pins, are the EURO SPECS pre varioram and varioram the same same inside as well, apart chip programming?
Or do they differ significantly?
Old 10-15-2019, 06:06 AM
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This is the 55 pin Pre Varioram Motronic as it looks right now before the cleaning









I think this is the version without immobilizer inside the Motronic: I say this because I have another module that is outside and it is named "Wegfahrsperre", which literally means "immobilizer".

What product would you suggest to use in order to dissolve/remove all the silt that has settled hardening on the motherboard?
Old 10-16-2019, 09:07 AM
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It's a 95 because you can see that the EEPROM chip which has timing curves etc. can be changed out- the next versions with the immobilizers have the EEPROM soldered to the board.. I give it 40 /60% chance of running again.. If it got wet when the car was running, there's a good chance it may be no longer functional.. Good question on cleaning it, maybe a solvent-based electrical cleaner..? There's another current thread about a Rennlister who has an immobilizer work-around... It's quite complicated..
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at university I should have studied archeology ...








ABS-ABD Control Unit



Alarm Control Unit


I seriously doubt the DME Motronic and the Immobilizer Contro Unit can be recovered, while the ABS one (with ABD) and the alarm one in my opinion have good chance of being able to work and / or be restarted by replacing only few smc
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I don't know if anyone can answer this question: is the wheel fastening system with the 993 CUP / RSR / GT2 EVO center lock the same as the first 996 CUP?
Is there a place to buy it, used in good condition or new?

Same thing for the enlargements and sideskirts with which to modify the 993 slim into RSR: does anyone have experience in this regard?

From what I've seen on the internet, what makes the difference between a good result and an unwatchable thing must be first the quality of the parts and, secondly, the skill of the body shop.
Is there a post where one can see where to make cuts on the bodywork?
Old 10-21-2019, 10:42 AM
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I buy my 993 gt2 parts at Hahn gfk in Germany , may be you can find the rsr parts here .
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http://www.hahn-gfk.de/
Old 10-21-2019, 09:16 PM
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Start on the ECAs with some IPA and a soft brush and go from there. With the saltwater for so long, I wouldn't put a lot of effort into this as unless the boards were conformal coated (very few are, but I can't tell from the pictures) they're likely trashed.


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