992.2 ~25% Fewer Customers?
#76
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This KBB article states that 25% of 911 customers select the manual transmission, which is no longer available on the 992.2 vehicle.
Assuming transmission specification is based on preference and isn't random, then the Porsche decision to eliminate the manual transmission selection option has the potential to eliminate the 992.2 for purchase consideration for some buyers.
The removal of ability to select the manual transmission was one reason for me to retract my 992 wait list deposit.
Assuming transmission specification is based on preference and isn't random, then the Porsche decision to eliminate the manual transmission selection option has the potential to eliminate the 992.2 for purchase consideration for some buyers.
The removal of ability to select the manual transmission was one reason for me to retract my 992 wait list deposit.
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AlexCeres (06-18-2024)
#77
Easy for a non-buying PDK owners to chant. The issue is with the “S” not the GT3 or TT-RWD (which will have MT for the $$$). The “T” is years out. The issue is with the “S”. The “S” rollout is supposedly in 6-8 months. Per Silver Surfer 6, no MT in “S” because it is getting the hybrid drive train. Hope he is wrong, but he was correct about the GTS and base rollout. The people on RL who need to chill are those who forgot the title to this thread and believe what is OK for them is OK for everyone. If you want to pay for my car, you can select all the options.
But let’s not pretend Porsche is going to lose any appreciable amount of money because you don’t like those choices. It’s a new model generation. Of course they were going to squeeze you for more money. What ****ing marquee did you think this was ?
#78
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This KBB article states that 25% of 911 customers select the manual transmission, which is no longer available on the 992.2 vehicle.
Assuming transmission specification is based on preference and isn't random, then the Porsche decision to eliminate the manual transmission selection option has the potential to eliminate the 992.2 for purchase consideration for some buyers.
The removal of ability to select the manual transmission was one reason for me to retract my 992 wait list deposit.
Assuming transmission specification is based on preference and isn't random, then the Porsche decision to eliminate the manual transmission selection option has the potential to eliminate the 992.2 for purchase consideration for some buyers.
The removal of ability to select the manual transmission was one reason for me to retract my 992 wait list deposit.
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Tedster (06-19-2024)
#79
lolz. I read the article. That 70% number was only for gt3 in the US. Worldwide it's 30% for gt3, and 25% overall. And yet. The gt3 will still be manual in 992.2 and Porsche isn't going to lose a single one of those customers. This whole thread is some trolling mixed with whining about being too poor to buy a gt3.
#80
It's pretty harsh to attribute their gripes to assumed socioeconomic limitations. Even if everyone had the means to acquire a GT3, I doubt people will be able get their manual cars as easily as it was in the past when they just put an order for an S. I think once (if?) Porsche comes out and says "You can still buy a manual on the S" the vast majority of the complaints will subside.
#81
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Personally, didn't want a GT vehicle, even if the dealership hadn't previously informed me that it would be impossible to get based on existing customers and their very limited allocation.
My (now dashed) hope had been on a loaded manual GTS Targa. When Porsche pulled the plug on that option, I again inquired about other manual transmission GT or S/T options and was again told not possible.
If I wanted an automatic transmission sports car, then I would have just selected a Corvette, with the benefit of saving a few bucks.
If the premises for the topic is wrong, what if any customers will NOT purchase a 911 because of manual transmission removal?
For me, this would have been an additional (not required) vehicle. I already have a GORGEOUS old 911 Targa that I enjoy. I would have either had to add another garage lift or sell that vehicle to get another Porsche.
My (now dashed) hope had been on a loaded manual GTS Targa. When Porsche pulled the plug on that option, I again inquired about other manual transmission GT or S/T options and was again told not possible.
If I wanted an automatic transmission sports car, then I would have just selected a Corvette, with the benefit of saving a few bucks.
If the premises for the topic is wrong, what if any customers will NOT purchase a 911 because of manual transmission removal?
For me, this would have been an additional (not required) vehicle. I already have a GORGEOUS old 911 Targa that I enjoy. I would have either had to add another garage lift or sell that vehicle to get another Porsche.
#82
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I’m fairly certain we will be seeing the return of the manual transmission on some models in 2025. Porsche knows its importance and won’t make the same mistake it did with the 991.1 GT3 again (for as long as they are able to).
#83
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my prediction is that the S and 4S will have the manual option
#85
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Problem is, there are no other new manual sports cars that compete with th 911. I don’t think the Emira or M3/4 or Blackwings are even close. Aston dropped their manual too. So customers won’t have a choice other than paying up for the GT3 with ADM or other future higher end products to get a manual. Otherwise there are tons of used manual cars out if you don’t need a new car. Porsche may lose some prospective buyers but likely less than 5%. And they’ll fill that easily with people new to the brand.
#86
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I think the premise that buying a Porsche manual is a choice between it and another brand may not be quite accurate. For many of us it is not. I currently have 5 Porsches, 2014 911 Carrera manual, 2019 911 Carrera PDK, 2019 Speedster manual, 2024 GT3 manual and a 2023 Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo S. Clearly I love manuals, but more clearly, I'm sold on Porsche as a sports car which is my primary consideration in my purchase. Many of the other cars mentioned may be very good cars but I wouldn't even consider say a Miata or a Corvette. I'm not dissing those cars, they just would never come under consideration for me.
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Yeah, probably just the GT cars and slight chance in one Carrera. The Euro emission standards are an entirely different playing field going into the late 2020s. It isn't 2015 and Porsche has to act accordingly.
#90
it really is. Capitalism is amazing. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...startYear=2020