CanAutM3

Why do we keep turning this thread to EVs?

The 992.2 is an ICE/electric hybrid. Not an EV…

ipse dixit

Must be that "straw man" argument heuristic that someone mentioned up above ...

VarTheVar

I did my duty in calling out the bull**** from the video. So now what should I talk about? The 992.2 is heavier. That's literally its only sin. People need to get over the other stuff

Mike818

No argument here that the topic of this thread is about the new hybrid, but my post was about the side topic of ICE vs EV that these things always devolve into. Interesting you chose my post to call out and not the many before it having nothing to do with the new hybrid engine though.

Even under the context of EV vs. ICE i was attempting to make an analogy, not a strawman.

Vicbastige

It's good that we get these things straight.

PHX

What topic, A or B? What things? LOL

Good thing it is raining here today....

VintageRacer

We are all just internet guys that post on an internet forum. We think our opinion is important.

The real data will be available in +/- three years with the new Porsche sales and the trade-in values of used 2024 Porsche 911's (and the later Porsche 718 models--The Cayman and Boxster) will be known.

The current profit margin is huge ($25,000 on each vehicle) so almost $30,000 on each vehicle in 3 years. The cost of ownership with an extra motor (over the current engine) will be much more.

twospyders

Whats wrong with sex and money?

CurryPuff

One can drain the other; sometimes.

siberian

Not always in that order ...

siberian

CodyBigdog

Speaking of “brainwashing”….

Exaggerate much?

CodyBigdog

Context. But you wouldn’t understand. Stupid is, as stupid does.



https://insideevs.com/news/726008/mc...alf-ev-buyers/

From the people that did the survey you are quoting:

”It's important not to just get stuck on that headline," said Philipp Kampshoff, who leads McKinsey's Center for Future Mobility in the Americas. However, "when I look at the data, I think it's a bit of a clear warning signal that we need to fix these issues quickly," he said.

“But a question about whether EV owners were "very likely" to switch back to ICE vehicles—meaning, replacing them entirely and not just adding a second or third gas or hybrid car to the fleet, Kampshoff said—has gotten the largest amount of wider attention. "We've gotten tons of inbound requests to talk about this one," he said.Globally, around 29% of the survey respondents said they probably would not go electric next time.

All of those owners cited familiar pain points with modern EVs: problems finding working public chargers, an inability to charge at home for whatever reason.”

”In the U.S., he said, that included about 4,000 respondents. In other words, only 1,840 people actually said they're likely to give up electric driving next time. That's a relative drop in the bucket, considering that about 1.4 million new EVs were registered in the U.S. in 2023 alone and many of those owners could be very happy with their purchases.

But the anti-EV sentiment among some drivers speaks to who is buying EVs now, and what new converts expect from the experience. And fixing those issues will be crucial to wider EV adoption, Kampshoff said.

Interestingly, he said, many of those survey respondents in the U.S. who indicated they might reject EVs next time were on the younger side—around 36 years old. And many also have young families. They're the ones who have felt the pain of America's subpar charging network more than others, he said.

"Imagine having little children in the car and having to do a detour for half an hour to find a fast charger, and it's not working," Kampshoff said. "The frustration gets exacerbated."

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To summarize my opinion, as an EV owner myself, and everybody I know in my affluent (relevant because every household has multiple cars, each to fit the occasion) enclave who has an EV…..we all love them, and EV’s are the perfect form of transportation for daily driving. Period. But one of the best features of EV ownership, for the vast majority of EV owners, is being able to charge at home…both for convenience and cost savings. If we had to rely exclusively on public charging, our collective experiences might be different, but it’s not.

jhenson29

Im pretty sure you can’t take an absolute number from a sample and compare it to the whole of a group this way.

CodyBigdog

Well, that may be…but I didn’t make the comment.

But suspect that the Director of the organization that conducted the survey, and made the statement is more knowledgeable than either you or I, with regards to inherent inaccuracies / uncertainties associated with their survey.

If I interpret the point he was trying to convey, in a nutshell…the US number of survey respondents was very small, and as we all know, sample size usually impacts accuracy. So does the vagueness of the wording in the survey (as he alluded to). Furthermore, while I presume that the survey was sent out to “random” EV owners, there’ no question in my mind (unless they are going to make it worth ($$) my time…that mainly those with a grievance (maybe those that had to rely exclusively on non-Tesla public charges??) will respond the most. In general, people without issues usually don’t do surveys, polls or come on forums to complain. Case in point - I find it revealing that a large % of EV haters on Rennlist have never owned, nor will they ever, an EV…but feel compelled to offer up their opinions, much of which, are based on political/social ideology….and not owner or driving experiences.

ipse dixit

I admire you @CodyBigdog

You make Sisyphus look lazy.