[Engineering Explained] Porsche's New 911 Engine Is Absolutely Brilliant
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The initial reviews seem encouraging if not totally positive. Modern MG’s in general are ‘OK’ cars, I’ve rented one for a couple of weeks in Australia and it definitely feels like it’s made to a budget. Hopefully the Cyberster is a step up.
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Even if new Cayman / Boxster are amazing EVs how does that translate to an emotional driving experience if there is no sound, gear changes, manual trans, etc.
Also these cars are for weekend use mostly or are kept in a vacation home therefore gas savings is not a concern.
I just think the market is super limited.
Forget EV roadster - None of these companies can even sell EV sport sedan (Taycan, Model S, Lucid, Audi Etron GT) - these all sell at huge discounts and depreciate like a rock.
This is why new Bugatti has NA V16 hybrid as Rimac can’t find buyers for their EV hypercar.
Also these cars are for weekend use mostly or are kept in a vacation home therefore gas savings is not a concern.
I just think the market is super limited.
Forget EV roadster - None of these companies can even sell EV sport sedan (Taycan, Model S, Lucid, Audi Etron GT) - these all sell at huge discounts and depreciate like a rock.
This is why new Bugatti has NA V16 hybrid as Rimac can’t find buyers for their EV hypercar.
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in other news, Buggati - also in the VW conglomerate - just announced the 4.4M Bugatti Tourbillon. 1800hp plug-in hybrid with 1000hp coming from a naturally aspirated 16-cylinder and 800hp from 3 e-motors. They took out the turbo's to enhance the experience of the ICE but added a whooping 800(e)hp to more than compensate for that. wow.
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Even if new Cayman / Boxster are amazing EVs how does that translate to an emotional driving experience if there is no sound, gear changes, manual trans, etc.
Also these cars are for weekend use mostly or are kept in a vacation home therefore gas savings is not a concern.
I just think the market is super limited.
Forget EV roadster - None of these companies can even sell EV sport sedan (Taycan, Model S, Lucid, Audi Etron GT) - these all sell at huge discounts and depreciate like a rock.
This is why new Bugatti has NA V16 hybrid as Rimac can’t find buyers for their EV hypercar.
Also these cars are for weekend use mostly or are kept in a vacation home therefore gas savings is not a concern.
I just think the market is super limited.
Forget EV roadster - None of these companies can even sell EV sport sedan (Taycan, Model S, Lucid, Audi Etron GT) - these all sell at huge discounts and depreciate like a rock.
This is why new Bugatti has NA V16 hybrid as Rimac can’t find buyers for their EV hypercar.
I think the EV Boxster will be very good. It will be less of a serious car, to be used on the weekends, or at least won't/can't be the primary car for most families. It won't be astronomically expensive, probably on par with the Macan EV. It will probably look awesome given Porsche's design language for the past 10 years. I bet it will put down a killer Nurburgring time. And for some odd reason I'm actually excited to see it reviewed.
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Boxster , Cayman built its success on a mid engine,.The Spyder holds the Guiness record . Going from mid engine to no engine is like automotive castraton . All those EV;'s have odd shapes deliberately to get range . It's fake. coolness
Look at early 911's with the small platform , offset pedals , 1960's dash eve into the 90;'s and compare that to todays 992.2 GTS . It's like a freak .
Whats next ? a car that drives the person by itself around the Nurburgring and breaks records .
Look at early 911's with the small platform , offset pedals , 1960's dash eve into the 90;'s and compare that to todays 992.2 GTS . It's like a freak .
Whats next ? a car that drives the person by itself around the Nurburgring and breaks records .
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Boxster , Cayman built its success on a mid engine,.The Spyder holds the Guiness record . Going from mid engine to no engine is like automotive castraton . All those EV;'s have odd shapes deliberately to get range . It's fake. coolness
Look at early 911's with the small platform , offset pedals , 1960's dash eve into the 90;'s and compare that to todays 992.2 GTS . It's like a freak .
Whats next ? a car that drives the person by itself around the Nurburgring and breaks records .
Look at early 911's with the small platform , offset pedals , 1960's dash eve into the 90;'s and compare that to todays 992.2 GTS . It's like a freak .
Whats next ? a car that drives the person by itself around the Nurburgring and breaks records .
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I think EV sport sedans are a much harder pill to swallow for so many reasons. Firstly nobody wants a sedan. Sedan sales have been declining for over a decade. And EV sport sedans are also very expensive. Top of the food chain pricing for the Plaid and the Lucid and Taycan Turbo. And they have to do their job without getting in the way of your life. The charging situation for a lot of these cars have been historically pretty painful for anyone without a Tesla. Also, the market is saturated with sport sedans.
I think the EV Boxster will be very good. It will be less of a serious car, to be used on the weekends, or at least won't/can't be the primary car for most families. It won't be astronomically expensive, probably on par with the Macan EV. It will probably look awesome given Porsche's design language for the past 10 years. I bet it will put down a killer Nurburgring time. And for some odd reason I'm actually excited to see it reviewed.
I think the EV Boxster will be very good. It will be less of a serious car, to be used on the weekends, or at least won't/can't be the primary car for most families. It won't be astronomically expensive, probably on par with the Macan EV. It will probably look awesome given Porsche's design language for the past 10 years. I bet it will put down a killer Nurburgring time. And for some odd reason I'm actually excited to see it reviewed.
Again people buy these cars for engagement not because of performance. Cayman/Boxster have never never been the fastest but they offered a manual and had amazing handling in small lightweight package.
If ppl rejected the 4cyl turbo, the EV will fare even worse.
Considering VW pulling back on their EV plans, hopefully ICE Cayman/Boxster will still be available.
Last year, Volkswagen announced that it had set aside 180 billion euros for the development of next-generation EVs. The auto giant had estimated that by the end of the decade, EVs would account for 80% of their annual sales.
However, one year later, Volkswagen seems to have changed its stand slightly. As confirmed by Arno Antlitz, CFO & COO of Volkswagen Group, the company will now use one-third of its EV budget to continue the development of its combustion engines. Antlitz stated that the VW Group would spend roughly 60 billion euros to keep its combustion cars competitive.
However, one year later, Volkswagen seems to have changed its stand slightly. As confirmed by Arno Antlitz, CFO & COO of Volkswagen Group, the company will now use one-third of its EV budget to continue the development of its combustion engines. Antlitz stated that the VW Group would spend roughly 60 billion euros to keep its combustion cars competitive.
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After 18 pages, I will never buy a brand new hybrid Porsche 911 for $150,000-$200,000 this year or next year.
I am sure that many you guys here are paid by Porsche to make big hype on a new expensive car. You sold out your soul for sex and money. I'd never do that.
I am sure that many you guys here are paid by Porsche to make big hype on a new expensive car. You sold out your soul for sex and money. I'd never do that.
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same
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That’s an interesting take. It’s not ice, but I have a very different association with that sound. I work in industrial controls and frequently with electric motor control, so I associate the sound with power and precision. The alternative is often pneumatic (low force) or hydraulic (low speed) and both typically much lower precision. Those are typically more “budget” options compared to an electric motor (except where you need significant force such a very large press; think tens of millions of lbs; then hydraulic is the way to go). And then within electric motor control, you start at across the line starters, then soft starters, and then move up to a VFD where you get the whine (due to the carrier frequency; not present in ATL or SS). So, for those reasons, that whine doesn’t carry the negative associations for me.
It's not really about the association of the sound. I don't like the sound itself. I don't have an issue with electric power per se. It sounds shrill and industrial and has no soul to it
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i cant stand especially the jurnos ex wanna be a pro driver ...with their sneering grin
Someone in Stuttgart should press the
"too much marketing" alarm Button
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I like the concept of the engine; the new gts-design is amazing... I will order on monday.
porsche wouldn't be where they are today if they didn't break new ground - my simple opinion.
decisions not made are the most expensive
porsche wouldn't be where they are today if they didn't break new ground - my simple opinion.
decisions not made are the most expensive
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That’s an interesting take. It’s not ice, but I have a very different association with that sound. I work in industrial controls and frequently with electric motor control, so I associate the sound with power and precision. The alternative is often pneumatic (low force) or hydraulic (low speed) and both typically much lower precision. Those are typically more “budget” options compared to an electric motor (except where you need significant force such a very large press; think tens of millions of lbs; then hydraulic is the way to go). And then within electric motor control, you start at across the line starters, then soft starters, and then move up to a VFD where you get the whine (due to the carrier frequency; not present in ATL or SS). So, for those reasons, that whine doesn’t carry the negative associations for me.
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Even the turbos on the Carrera models came YEARS after MB/BMW made them mainstream. Now all of a sudden they want to be in forefront of tech?! Seems opposite of how they always operated.