MEngineering vs. Softronic Tune
Three Wheelin'
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No but my car was 8 mos old and had less than 5k miles on it so it drove like new. If your car is several years old and has over 10k miles it wouldn’t hurt to have it checked out but find a reputable mechanic who tunes Porsches and let them know what you intend to do. You want to make sure the car has no leaks in the charge pipes, intercoolers, turbos, exhaust, cooling system, etc. and spark plugs are healthy. If you haven’t changed spark plugs get a new set and gap them down to the recommended amount. If your tires and brakes are worn out, take care of those issues b/c adding 100 hp with worn tires and brakes is not a good idea. Change the oil while you’re at it.
Three Wheelin'
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did you not read the thread? OP never said he had issues with stock turbos. Also, did you actually read the TSB what it says? It seems you just regurgitate ME’s explanation about other tuners solution (total speculation) and their conclusion injectors are faulty because it can’t be their tune. C’mon.
Just sharing some info and pointing out misconceptions. For example, a car running fast does not mean it’s tuned properly. The leaner you run the A/F ratios the more power it will make but the greater the chance of detonation and blowing up the motor. I’m making no judgement about any tune. Just stating a basic fact about tuning and something that I think people should be aware of if they want to tune their cars.
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I don't think he's trying to harm anyone. OP is stating the facts from his experience and viewpoint. No Malice or intent to harm. Personally, I think this is an exceptional post and very informative. Having been a business owner, COO, Engineer and VP of BD, I believe the seller should have been more open and understanding and in the end if the customer was not satisfied then refund the product. Their decision otherwise is Negative exposure that will cost them business. Why do I state this? I was actually looking to do a tune from them but have concluded to skip and go elsewhere.
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Ok here’s my last post on this topic.
I was told by the dealer the TSB does not apply to my car and it did not show the injector fault addressed by the TSB.
On previous cars, I’ve used Cobb, Softronic and APR without issues.
I’ve been on this board for 20 years and my posts show I’ve owned and modified most of my cars without issues. Basically I’m experienced in this effort and can tell a good vendor from a bad one.
Scott at Softronic has been way more forthcoming, better customer support and more thorough than MEng.
Caveat emptor.
I was told by the dealer the TSB does not apply to my car and it did not show the injector fault addressed by the TSB.
On previous cars, I’ve used Cobb, Softronic and APR without issues.
I’ve been on this board for 20 years and my posts show I’ve owned and modified most of my cars without issues. Basically I’m experienced in this effort and can tell a good vendor from a bad one.
Scott at Softronic has been way more forthcoming, better customer support and more thorough than MEng.
Caveat emptor.
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The cost of the plugs aren’t too cost prohibitive and could be done by the mechanically inclined. Reprogramming would likely be $250-500 based on other programming quotes sourced from various dealerships.
https://rennlist.com/forums/diy-992/...placement.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/diy-992/...placement.html
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I think you might be confusing spark plugs and fuel injectors. Spark plugs a doable DIY project as long as you have patience with two of them that are very hard to access because of the turbos. No programming necessary except maybe regapping them if running a tune. But I would not recommend replacing fuel injectors DIY for several reasons. The entire intake manifold must be removed. The high pressure fuel lines must be disconnected and reconnected. If you get this wrong, you are spraying 93 octane all over your you, your car and engine at 200psi. Hope you are not a smoker or nothing is sparking. Then the new piezo injectors need a new wiring harness and they must be programmed with a PIWIS. I am a big DIY guy but I would not replace my injectors…..hopefully have the dealer do it under warranty. If your car is under warranty and you get the P020X00 fault, take the TSB and drive immediately to the dealer.
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Exactly!
If that had been the case, than OP may have come out and posted that although the tune didn’t work out in his particular case, the companies involved were stand up folks and refunded his $$. The costs would have been minimal in the overall scheme of things.
If that had been the case, than OP may have come out and posted that although the tune didn’t work out in his particular case, the companies involved were stand up folks and refunded his $$. The costs would have been minimal in the overall scheme of things.
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Should have just refund the customer money. Having this type of bad publicity is not worth it to any business. I’m very hesitant to add a tune now. Might just get the M Coder for the exhaust mods. I’m hearing some people are starting to have problems w the PSE valve controller routes.
Racer
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No but my car was 8 mos old and had less than 5k miles on it so it drove like new. If your car is several years old and has over 10k miles it wouldn’t hurt to have it checked out but find a reputable mechanic who tunes Porsches and let them know what you intend to do. You want to make sure the car has no leaks in the charge pipes, intercoolers, turbos, exhaust, cooling system, etc. and spark plugs are healthy. If you haven’t changed spark plugs get a new set and gap them down to the recommended amount. If your tires and brakes are worn out, take care of those issues b/c adding 100 hp with worn tires and brakes is not a good idea. Change the oil while you’re at it.
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My hypothesis: The OP has marginal or failing injectors, and the more aggressive ME 'high lambda' map is merely exacerbating that condition causing misfires. If I were a gambling man I'd bet the injectors may begin to 'act up' over time as they age, and even the Softronic tune might not be safe. YMMV.
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Exactly!
