MEngineering vs. Softronic Tune
06-12-2024, 09:07 PM
#61
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With what intend did you post this though? Your ego got hurt and you want to bad mouth a company. You can share your experiences, which is fair, and this was obviously a negative one and we can all learn from it.
But I like to encourage people to try to be kind. I don’t think there was an ill intent from their side. Share your frustrations but I see an intention to hurt their reputation which I don’t see the good in trying to do that.
But I like to encourage people to try to be kind. I don’t think there was an ill intent from their side. Share your frustrations but I see an intention to hurt their reputation which I don’t see the good in trying to do that.
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06-12-2024, 09:22 PM
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06-12-2024, 09:28 PM
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06-12-2024, 09:33 PM
#64
Drifting
The 992 does have known injector issues in some cars which has been discussed repeatedly here on multiple threads involving multiple cars, some modded- some not. OP states that his car threw faults for misfires. If the fault code was P020X00, then OP could use the TSB to get all new injectors and wiring harness under warranty. But,…..since OP has both upgraded his turbos and installed a tune, Porsche may not honor the warranty. I understand OP’s reluctance to change out his turbos, again, to just get warranty coverage on the new injector replacement. I get it. So, it is the “Catch 22” that goes with modding your engine before the warranty expires. Jimmy D hit it on the head. But I do appreciate OP sharing his experience with us so we can all learn from it. Thank you BarryC. Best wishes.
I agree that it’s a catch-22. Modding definitely comes with its share of pros and cons.
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06-12-2024, 09:38 PM
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06-12-2024, 09:48 PM
#66
Yeah lmao. I leave bad reviews if I'm not happy either. It's good to have other viewpoints and see other's experiences with a product as not everything is perfect. Guy expects this to be a safe space of circle jerky responses. Pretty useful thread for me if I ever wanted to tune and choose a company.
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06-12-2024, 09:51 PM
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06-12-2024, 10:05 PM
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I don't think he's trying to harm anyone. OP is stating the facts from his experience and viewpoint. No Malice or intent to harm. Personally, I think this is an exceptional post and very informative. Having been a business owner, COO, Engineer and VP of BD, I believe the seller should have been more open and understanding and in the end if the customer was not satisfied then refund the product. Their decision otherwise is Negative exposure that will cost them business. Why do I state this? I was actually looking to do a tune from them but have concluded to skip and go elsewhere.
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06-13-2024, 12:34 AM
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Drifting
https://rennlist.com/forums/diy-992/1367833-diy-guide-992-spark-plug-replacement.html
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06-13-2024, 12:37 AM
#71
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Those of you who tuned, did you get your car fully inspected or serviced in any way prior to doing the business? I absolutely intend to tune but was wondering if I should get it in for a full checkup before doing so.
06-13-2024, 01:29 AM
#72
What? He's providing plenty of detail. I'm happy with my M Engineering tune but he should be able to voice his issues, if he has them. Stop reading this thread if you don't like it.
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06-13-2024, 01:48 AM
#73
I appreciate OP sharing his experience. There are a couple of things that I question though. First if the car was having some misfires with stock turbos and a tune I think it’s insane to install bigger turbos and expect the stock injectors would magically work fine with a revised tune on larger turbos that call for an even greater injector duty cycle. I would have 100% sorted out the misfire/injector issue first before installing GTS turbos that would obviously make the issue worse… which it did.
I am also curious why the OP didn’t replace the injectors as recommended. There are TSBs and ample evidence that some 992s have injector issues. To never do that then blame M Engineering for not sending another revision is unreasonable IMO.
Also M Engineering’s explanation is reasonable. I used to drive a lot of Nissans. The pre-eminent tuner was Jim Wolf Racing. Their tunes were very well developed and ran perfectly in every car I had. They were also conservative, I.e. they were tuned slightly rich for some safety margin and they left all safety systems in place and as a result they did not make the most power but the cars ran correctly with proper A/F ratios, timing, etc. M Engineering’s tune likely causes issues b/c it is designed to push injectors harder as they need to be to run safe A/F ratios to make the desired power safely. There are tuners who will definitely run leaner tunes, primarily to make more power, and they may work fine now and even 100k miles later but, make no mistake, running a car leaner runs it closer to the edge of detonation. A bad tank of gas is more likely to cause engine failure if your tune is running leaner than it should be. It will feel very fast… right up until it blows up.
But this is all speculation. Best thing to do would be to datalog both tunes to get a true sense of what’s going on and also replace the injectors and datalog again. In fact even if OP decides to stay with the current tune I’d still recommend replacing the injectors because they are definitely not functioning properly. Regardless of what he thinks about M Engineering I would not risk blowing up a $50K motor when there’s evidence the injectors may not be fully healthy and I’m running larger turbos. Let’s say M Engineering is full of crap and the soft tropic tune is perfect, still, why take the risk? The warranty is out the window and you are self insuring the motor. An ounce of prevention would seem prudent here.
I am also curious why the OP didn’t replace the injectors as recommended. There are TSBs and ample evidence that some 992s have injector issues. To never do that then blame M Engineering for not sending another revision is unreasonable IMO.
Also M Engineering’s explanation is reasonable. I used to drive a lot of Nissans. The pre-eminent tuner was Jim Wolf Racing. Their tunes were very well developed and ran perfectly in every car I had. They were also conservative, I.e. they were tuned slightly rich for some safety margin and they left all safety systems in place and as a result they did not make the most power but the cars ran correctly with proper A/F ratios, timing, etc. M Engineering’s tune likely causes issues b/c it is designed to push injectors harder as they need to be to run safe A/F ratios to make the desired power safely. There are tuners who will definitely run leaner tunes, primarily to make more power, and they may work fine now and even 100k miles later but, make no mistake, running a car leaner runs it closer to the edge of detonation. A bad tank of gas is more likely to cause engine failure if your tune is running leaner than it should be. It will feel very fast… right up until it blows up.
But this is all speculation. Best thing to do would be to datalog both tunes to get a true sense of what’s going on and also replace the injectors and datalog again. In fact even if OP decides to stay with the current tune I’d still recommend replacing the injectors because they are definitely not functioning properly. Regardless of what he thinks about M Engineering I would not risk blowing up a $50K motor when there’s evidence the injectors may not be fully healthy and I’m running larger turbos. Let’s say M Engineering is full of crap and the soft tropic tune is perfect, still, why take the risk? The warranty is out the window and you are self insuring the motor. An ounce of prevention would seem prudent here.
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06-13-2024, 01:59 AM
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I don't think he's trying to harm anyone. OP is stating the facts from his experience and viewpoint. No Malice or intent to harm. Personally, I think this is an exceptional post and very informative. Having been a business owner, COO, Engineer and VP of BD, I believe the seller should have been more open and understanding and in the end if the customer was not satisfied then refund the product. Their decision otherwise is Negative exposure that will cost them business. Why do I state this? I was actually looking to do a tune from them but have concluded to skip and go elsewhere.
06-13-2024, 01:59 AM
#75
I appreciate OP sharing his experience. There are a couple of things that I question though. First if the car was having some misfires with stock turbos and a tune I think it’s insane to install bigger turbos and expect the stock injectors would magically work fine with a revised tune on larger turbos that call for an even greater injector duty cycle. I would have 100% sorted out the misfire/injector issue first before installing GTS turbos that would obviously make the issue worse… which it did.
I am also curious why the OP didn’t replace the injectors as recommended. There are TSBs and ample evidence that some 992s have injector issues. To never do that then blame M Engineering for not sending another revision is unreasonable IMO.
Also M Engineering’s explanation is reasonable. I used to drive a lot of Nissans. The pre-eminent tuner was Jim Wolf Racing. Their tunes were very well developed and ran perfectly in every car I had. They were also conservative, I.e. they were tuned slightly rich for some safety margin and they left all safety systems in place and as a result they did not make the most power but the cars ran correctly with proper A/F ratios, timing, etc. M Engineering’s tune likely causes issues b/c it is designed to push injectors harder as they need to be to run safe A/F ratios to make the desired power safely. There are tuners who will definitely run leaner tunes, primarily to make more power, and they may work fine now and even 100k miles later but, make no mistake, running a car leaner runs it closer to the edge of detonation. A bad tank of gas is more likely to cause engine failure if your tune is running leaner than it should be. It will feel very fast… right up until it blows up.
But this is all speculation. Best thing to do would be to datalog both tunes to get a true sense of what’s going on and also replace the injectors and datalog again. In fact even if OP decides to stay with the current tune I’d still recommend replacing the injectors because they are definitely not functioning properly. Regardless of what he thinks about M Engineering I would not risk blowing up a $50K motor when there’s evidence the injectors may not be fully healthy and I’m running larger turbos. Let’s say M Engineering is full of crap and the soft tropic tune is perfect, still, why take the risk? The warranty is out the window and you are self insuring the motor. An ounce of prevention would seem prudent here.
I am also curious why the OP didn’t replace the injectors as recommended. There are TSBs and ample evidence that some 992s have injector issues. To never do that then blame M Engineering for not sending another revision is unreasonable IMO.
Also M Engineering’s explanation is reasonable. I used to drive a lot of Nissans. The pre-eminent tuner was Jim Wolf Racing. Their tunes were very well developed and ran perfectly in every car I had. They were also conservative, I.e. they were tuned slightly rich for some safety margin and they left all safety systems in place and as a result they did not make the most power but the cars ran correctly with proper A/F ratios, timing, etc. M Engineering’s tune likely causes issues b/c it is designed to push injectors harder as they need to be to run safe A/F ratios to make the desired power safely. There are tuners who will definitely run leaner tunes, primarily to make more power, and they may work fine now and even 100k miles later but, make no mistake, running a car leaner runs it closer to the edge of detonation. A bad tank of gas is more likely to cause engine failure if your tune is running leaner than it should be. It will feel very fast… right up until it blows up.
But this is all speculation. Best thing to do would be to datalog both tunes to get a true sense of what’s going on and also replace the injectors and datalog again. In fact even if OP decides to stay with the current tune I’d still recommend replacing the injectors because they are definitely not functioning properly. Regardless of what he thinks about M Engineering I would not risk blowing up a $50K motor when there’s evidence the injectors may not be fully healthy and I’m running larger turbos. Let’s say M Engineering is full of crap and the soft tropic tune is perfect, still, why take the risk? The warranty is out the window and you are self insuring the motor. An ounce of prevention would seem prudent here.