992.2 Info
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You'd think that with electric assistance the eturbo would be less detrimental to sound than a standard turbo. Instead of pushing the turbo, the exhaust gases flow through the turbo when the electric component is providing turbine propulsion.
Plus, turbo induction noises are fun as hell. Just ask anyone else with downpipes and the BMC filters.
Plus, turbo induction noises are fun as hell. Just ask anyone else with downpipes and the BMC filters.
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The hybrid c63 isn’t doing too hot. Benz already walking back and admitting defeat.
https://www.motor1.com/news/719266/m...-v8-cle63/amp/
https://www.motor1.com/news/719266/m...-v8-cle63/amp/
MB is walking back the mild hybrid V4 in the upcoming AMG CLE63 not because of mild hybrid tech, but because the 4-pot was underpowered. The new one is going to be V8, and still with a mild hybrid.
It would be like if the 992.2 911 came with a flat-4 mild hybrid.
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The "problem" though that these are the options for the next year or so:
992.1 production is stopping very soon.
So there are currently only the following choices:
1) 2024 Around 400bhp Carrera (Base)
2) 2024 541bhp mild hybrid GTS - maybe even 2025 delivery for US?
3) Early 2025 520bhp mild hybrid Carrera S
4) Early 2025 NA GT3
5) Hybrid Turbo but manual option (2WD) - not sure when
992.1 production is stopping very soon.
So there are currently only the following choices:
1) 2024 Around 400bhp Carrera (Base)
2) 2024 541bhp mild hybrid GTS - maybe even 2025 delivery for US?
3) Early 2025 520bhp mild hybrid Carrera S
4) Early 2025 NA GT3
5) Hybrid Turbo but manual option (2WD) - not sure when
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From a product planning perspective, S/GTS models making 520-540hp would quickly eat into Turbo sales. The magazines do say there will be a high output hybrid that will price out between the GTS and Turbo…that is the most likely scenario.
From what I have heard and read the high performance hybrid will have the 3.0 turbo engine with a hybrid and awd system similar to the corvette e ray and thus be PDK only. The S will have mild hybrid with current engines, GTS and Turbo will have 3.6l engine with hybrid and Turbocharger. The e turbo will probably be only on the high performance hybrid…I would guess that Porsche wants to test it out on a lower production 911 before installing it throughout the lineup.
I guess we will see how things fall out on May 28.
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How did you find me? 🤣
I admit it!😅
On May 7 a journalist claimed that the refresh will be announced around end of the May.
If he was right about the the time he may also be right about the 48V mild hybrid for C2 and CS!.
Is it possible to still have manual cars in the Carrera line up?
He also said 3.6 "NA" GTS 400V hybrid, 2kWh battery, 90hp + around 400hp ICE. Around 490hp makes sense in Porsche terms, just +10hp respect to 992.1.
The weight of the system is 25kg, not that bad.
Turbo and Turbo S a more powerful 3.6 engine.
What are your thoughts about the 48V ?
I admit it!😅
On May 7 a journalist claimed that the refresh will be announced around end of the May.
If he was right about the the time he may also be right about the 48V mild hybrid for C2 and CS!.
Is it possible to still have manual cars in the Carrera line up?
He also said 3.6 "NA" GTS 400V hybrid, 2kWh battery, 90hp + around 400hp ICE. Around 490hp makes sense in Porsche terms, just +10hp respect to 992.1.
The weight of the system is 25kg, not that bad.
Turbo and Turbo S a more powerful 3.6 engine.
What are your thoughts about the 48V ?
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I would believe the 10-20 hp increase, they have no reason to markedly improve the performance of the cars and they will not get to 520 hp just by adding a mild hybrid system.
From a product planning perspective, S/GTS models making 520-540hp would quickly eat into Turbo sales. The magazines do say there will be a high output hybrid that will price out between the GTS and Turbo…that is the most likely scenario.
From what I have heard and read the high performance hybrid will have the 3.0 turbo engine with a hybrid and awd system similar to the corvette e ray and thus be PDK only. The S will have mild hybrid with current engines, GTS and Turbo will have 3.6l engine with hybrid and Turbocharger. The e turbo will probably be only on the high performance hybrid…I would guess that Porsche wants to test it out on a lower production 911 before installing it throughout the lineup.
I guess we will see how things fall out on May 28.
From a product planning perspective, S/GTS models making 520-540hp would quickly eat into Turbo sales. The magazines do say there will be a high output hybrid that will price out between the GTS and Turbo…that is the most likely scenario.
From what I have heard and read the high performance hybrid will have the 3.0 turbo engine with a hybrid and awd system similar to the corvette e ray and thus be PDK only. The S will have mild hybrid with current engines, GTS and Turbo will have 3.6l engine with hybrid and Turbocharger. The e turbo will probably be only on the high performance hybrid…I would guess that Porsche wants to test it out on a lower production 911 before installing it throughout the lineup.
I guess we will see how things fall out on May 28.
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@silversurfer6 Is it safe to say the entire run of 992.2 GT3 cars will be without hybrid assistance? Some of the mainstream car magazines have stated the GT3 will have a NA 3.6 hybrid. TIA
This could be the GT3 to get. The 992.1 GT3 is perfect, this will be similar and marginally a bit better and somehow i do not see the 994 GT3 not having a NA engine and no hybrid assistance - this is all speculation of course.
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It seems to me that the turbos will still be connected to the exhaust ports and spin using exhaust gasses most of the time. In addition, it will have an electric motor and battery that will provide the reduction in lag. To sum that up, With this new system, you are going to get the less desirable exhaust note and need to deal with the electric component. Maybe I'm wrong, but that seems like what the article is suggesting.
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I remember that I have been told that it will not have hybrid assistance and will still be offered with a manual as option. I have it in my notes to find out the bhp increase, engine displacement - i don't think anything will change on the perfect 4.0L and the 2+2 question. The schedule was to launch this early in Jan 25 with the carrera S.
This could be the GT3 to get. The 992.1 GT3 is perfect, this will be similar and marginally a bit better and somehow i do not see the 994 GT3 not having a NA engine and no hybrid assistance - this is all speculation of course.
This could be the GT3 to get. The 992.1 GT3 is perfect, this will be similar and marginally a bit better and somehow i do not see the 994 GT3 not having a NA engine and no hybrid assistance - this is all speculation of course.
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I remember that I have been told that it will not have hybrid assistance and will still be offered with a manual as option. I have it in my notes to find out the bhp increase, engine displacement - i don't think anything will change on the perfect 4.0L and the 2+2 question. The schedule was to launch this early in Jan 25 with the carrera S.
This could be the GT3 to get. The 992.1 GT3 is perfect, this will be similar and marginally a bit better and somehow i do not see the 994 GT3 not having a NA engine and no hybrid assistance - this is all speculation of course.
This could be the GT3 to get. The 992.1 GT3 is perfect, this will be similar and marginally a bit better and somehow i do not see the 994 GT3 not having a NA engine and no hybrid assistance - this is all speculation of course.
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Regarding bhp for the S and GTS this was my post on the 21st of September last year when the official docs were released:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post19063043
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post19063043
My info is that the S and the GTS are turbo/hybrid and is a fact that they will produce 510bhp and 540 bhp respectively.
So it is difficult the S to be a turbo only car.
I have no info for the base, non s model but it is unlikely to be a NA non (non-turbo) car.
So it is difficult the S to be a turbo only car.
I have no info for the base, non s model but it is unlikely to be a NA non (non-turbo) car.
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Regarding bhp for the S and GTS this was my post on the 21st of September last year when the official docs were released:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post19063043
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1318...l#post19063043