992.2 Info
05-13-2024, 05:28 PM
#1306
No it is Hybrid, T-HEV. I remember seeing 510bhp or 520bhp. The S (and the GT3) were supposed to launch Jan 2025 - so even with delays it will launch in the first half of 2025.
I have not really paid much attention to or asked questions about the S and I would love to find out more. The speculation is that it will have the 3.0L engine which I am not sure how it makes sense. On the other hand the late launch could be caused because it is more difficult to integrate the T-HEV on the 3.0L. I don't really know but the 510/520bhp is a fact.
I have also been trying to stick to an ICE only convertible but the answer was that the only one is the non s turbo - but it will be 2WD but also with a manual option. Or a GT3 of course.
I have not really paid much attention to or asked questions about the S and I would love to find out more. The speculation is that it will have the 3.0L engine which I am not sure how it makes sense. On the other hand the late launch could be caused because it is more difficult to integrate the T-HEV on the 3.0L. I don't really know but the 510/520bhp is a fact.
I have also been trying to stick to an ICE only convertible but the answer was that the only one is the non s turbo - but it will be 2WD but also with a manual option. Or a GT3 of course.
So there are going to be models with mild hybrids, and one or more models with the high performance T-HEV system, most of the rumors from reputable places that I have read suggest that the T-HEV system will go into a car positioned between the GTS and Turbo. The S will get a 48v mild hybrid 3.0 Turbo engine and GTS will get a mild hybrid 3.6L Turbo. If the T-HEV ends up in the GTS you can expect the car to become significantly more expensive than the S.
The T-HEV is what they will likely advertise as a "Hybrid 911", and what they have been running around the ring...they won't really talk much about the 48V system because those things are there purely for compliance reasons.
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05-13-2024, 05:46 PM
#1307
So there are going to be models with mild hybrids, and one or more models with the high performance T-HEV system, most of the rumors from reputable places that I have read suggest that the T-HEV system will go into a car positioned between the GTS and Turbo. The S will get a 48v mild hybrid 3.0 Turbo engine and GTS will get a mild hybrid 3.6L Turbo. If the T-HEV ends up in the GTS you can expect the car to become significantly more expensive than the S.
The T-HEV is what they will likely advertise as a "Hybrid 911", and what they have been running around the ring...they won't really talk much about the 48V system because those things are there purely for compliance reasons.
The T-HEV is what they will likely advertise as a "Hybrid 911", and what they have been running around the ring...they won't really talk much about the 48V system because those things are there purely for compliance reasons.
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05-13-2024, 05:50 PM
#1308
There is more info but these are the points:
1. Decision between 400bhp (base) and 540bhp (gts)
2. Base is ice only, GTS is e-turbo
3. The only other non hybrid car coming is the turbo but it is 2wd
4. I would like this car to be a convertible - gt3 is out
5. S will come early in 2025
To be honest I might be equally happy with a nicely opitoned carrera 4 cabriolet. Yes the power output is significably less but you still get a great car.
The other thing I am trying to find out is how much PTS will affect the build - time wise. I can wait a few months to get the colour I want.
1. Decision between 400bhp (base) and 540bhp (gts)
2. Base is ice only, GTS is e-turbo
3. The only other non hybrid car coming is the turbo but it is 2wd
4. I would like this car to be a convertible - gt3 is out
5. S will come early in 2025
To be honest I might be equally happy with a nicely opitoned carrera 4 cabriolet. Yes the power output is significably less but you still get a great car.
The other thing I am trying to find out is how much PTS will affect the build - time wise. I can wait a few months to get the colour I want.
540bhp... will we see a non "Turbo" go sub 3-seconds to 100?
05-13-2024, 05:59 PM
#1309
So there are going to be models with mild hybrids, and one or more models with the high performance T-HEV system, most of the rumors from reputable places that I have read suggest that the T-HEV system will go into a car positioned between the GTS and Turbo. The S will get a 48v mild hybrid 3.0 Turbo engine and GTS will get a mild hybrid 3.6L Turbo. If the T-HEV ends up in the GTS you can expect the car to become significantly more expensive than the S.
The T-HEV is what they will likely advertise as a "Hybrid 911", and what they have been running around the ring...they won't really talk much about the 48V system because those things are there purely for compliance reasons.
The T-HEV is what they will likely advertise as a "Hybrid 911", and what they have been running around the ring...they won't really talk much about the 48V system because those things are there purely for compliance reasons.
Thinking out loud: the Wagner e-turbo can use both 48V or 400V (and 800V in racing). If porsche will also produce a 48V car and calls both the 48V and 400V T-HEV then we need to find out what goes in the S and what in the GTS.
I will try to find out since this is quite important and I do not have more info on this. It seems the time has come that when you buy a new 911 you have to check the e-turbo voltage
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05-13-2024, 06:07 PM
#1311
It will drop from 3.4 to 3.2 or 3.1 so 3 is possible. Does it really matter? Please remember also the new car will be about 50-100kg heavier.
My predication is that the S uses a 400V e-turbo but i cannot confirm. It had the word T-HEV next to it but maybe Porsche uses T-HEV for both 48V and 400V? For a 520bhp output from a 3.0L engine the 400V makes more sense.
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05-13-2024, 06:08 PM
#1312
05-13-2024, 06:20 PM
#1313
When I reviewed the specs of the GTS and the S both had the T-HEV word next to them - this is what I have in my notes also. I assumed this meant 400V. But this is something that I need to confirm again because actually your post makes sense. So far I have not seen confirmed that 48V is to be used and only 400V was being discussed but maybe Porsche is calling both T-HEV?
Thinking out loud: the Wagner e-turbo can use both 48V or 400V (and 800V in racing). If porsche will also produce a 48V car and calls both the 48V and 400V T-HEV then we need to find out what goes in the S and what in the GTS.
I will try to find out since this is quite important and I do not have more info on this. It seems the time has come that when you buy a new 911 you have to check the e-turbo voltage
Thinking out loud: the Wagner e-turbo can use both 48V or 400V (and 800V in racing). If porsche will also produce a 48V car and calls both the 48V and 400V T-HEV then we need to find out what goes in the S and what in the GTS.
I will try to find out since this is quite important and I do not have more info on this. It seems the time has come that when you buy a new 911 you have to check the e-turbo voltage
That would be perfect and I was thinking the S would only be 48 V and not as potent as the GTS. I was thinking the GTS would be the more aggressive and much more powerful version and would have a larger price difference signifying its more prominent position in the 992.2 lineup than previously. I sold my TTRS and wanted the S with its more powerful engine so that it would be a noticeable improvement in performance engine and suspension wise. I had a 2016 GT4 and the balance and handling was amazing, but the engine was not very powerful and really had to be pushed to get any power out of it. This is why I want the S but I want to avoid a lot of tech/complexity and 48 V systems have been around for a while. Any thoughts on my thinking, or am I missing something?
05-13-2024, 06:24 PM
#1315
05-13-2024, 06:26 PM
#1316
05-13-2024, 06:32 PM
#1317
The "problem" though that these are the options for the next year or so:
992.1 production is stopping very soon.
So there are currently only the following choices:
1) 2024 Around 400bhp Carrera (Base)
2) 2024 541bhp mild hybrid GTS - maybe even 2025 delivery for US?
3) Early 2025 520bhp mild hybrid Carrera S
4) Early 2025 NA GT3
5) Hybrid Turbo but manual option (2WD) - not sure when
992.1 production is stopping very soon.
So there are currently only the following choices:
1) 2024 Around 400bhp Carrera (Base)
2) 2024 541bhp mild hybrid GTS - maybe even 2025 delivery for US?
3) Early 2025 520bhp mild hybrid Carrera S
4) Early 2025 NA GT3
5) Hybrid Turbo but manual option (2WD) - not sure when
520hp Carrera S
541hp Carrera GTS
Are they boring the GT engine to 4.2L or 4.4L to make it faster than GTS? Unlikely GT engine would stay at 510 - 520hp if Carrera S has that much power.
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rmb1973 (05-13-2024)
05-13-2024, 06:33 PM
#1318
I have no ideas what dealers say but the info I have is as posted before: As of now the only definite is that the .2 GT3 and the Turbo (non s) will have a manual option.
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05-13-2024, 06:38 PM
#1319
Speculation is that these are the last GT cars without hybrid assistance - so power output should not really matter for buyers and will not affect demand.
05-13-2024, 06:46 PM
#1320
It will drop from 3.4 to 3.2 or 3.1 so 3 is possible. Does it really matter? Please remember also the new car will be about 50-100kg heavier.
My predication is that the S uses a 400V e-turbo but i cannot confirm. It had the word T-HEV next to it but maybe Porsche uses T-HEV for both 48V and 400V? For a 520bhp output from a 3.0L engine the 400V makes more sense.
My predication is that the S uses a 400V e-turbo but i cannot confirm. It had the word T-HEV next to it but maybe Porsche uses T-HEV for both 48V and 400V? For a 520bhp output from a 3.0L engine the 400V makes more sense.
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