Bluehighways

That is one very poorly written and/or poorly researched with conflicting information and conflated bits of a story. I thought C&D had editors, but I guess not.

RatherJaded

Jacon

a tuned CS = tuned GTS in 992.1.

this is no longer true with the 992.2. No tuned NA will beat a tuned turbo.

malba2366

This person doesn't have any new information, they are just repeating what car and driver published a few days ago.

RatherJaded

Yep 💯

911newguy

I know the article is a mess, but the S only gains 11 hp going to the mild hybrid? I read it as the Base and S will not be hybrid, or at least I hope so as I’m on the list for a 4S.

PSPorsche

Even if these numbers are wrong, Porsche has so many variants of the 911, it’s hard to dramatically increase the HP on a new variant without impacting the engineering, sales, and marketing strategy for variants in the tiers above. Therefore, the performance improvements have to be incremental, and they need to be carefully spread across all the variants. In other words, they can’t increase the HP of the “S” without increasing the HP of the “Turbo”, for example. This also limits the amount of HP (and torque) they can add to the “S” variant.

Because of this, I believe when the 992.2 eventually comes out, the HP increases will be in the ballpark of 10-ish HP here or there (especially for everything below Turbo). They will definitely work with the HP and Torque curves to spread the power as needed to yield marginal real-world performance improvements (and to counteract any weight gains from an electric system).

PSPorsche

The Car and Driver article says,

I assume this statement applies to all cars within the range, so all new 911 cars will be four wheel drive.

Where does this put the “4” and “4S” variants, since all cars will get electrically driven front wheels?

Am I misreading something?

adm63

Your misread is the assumption that it applies to all cars, when the article only implies the front mounted motor for the T-HEV variant.

kayjh

One more car for the rest of us.

2thHappy

I've ceased reading C&D many years ago. The writing is atrocious, little personality and letters to the editor are lacking any pizazz.

R N M

Our family car is X3 M40 - i had the 2020 with the B58 inline 6 and now the 2023 with B58 and 48v mild hybrid. The HP has remained the same at 382. The 48v basically makes the stop/start smoother and will let you coast to a stop with engine off. I have basically programmed to shut this off in individual mode. Really no difference to me between B58 i had and the updated B58 with 48v battery.

I presume same will be the case with Carrera S - it will just make the start / stop feature very smooth for those that use it. I’m sure for Epa testing it can improve efficiency.

malba2366

According to the article, that system which is referred to as T-HEV, will end up in a new model slotted in between the GTS and Turbo. The S/GTS models will have a 48v mild hybrid and awd or rwd and I would assume manuals will still be available on the S/GTS.

Ryan993

agreed! New ones look loke they are coning in ugly and way more expensive

PSPorsche

The T-HEV model will not be able to distribute all of the horsepower and torque to the rear wheels, the way current four wheel drive models do.
We can calculate the percentage of HP and Torque available to the front and rear wheels.

2.0 kWh Motor (Front Wheels Only)
83 HP
128 lb-ft Torque

3.0L Twin Turbo Flat 6 (Rear Wheels Only)
395 HP
347 lb-ft Torque

Totals (Front + Rear Wheels)
478 HP
475 lb-ft Torque

Using this information, the front to rear HP and Torque distributions are...

Front Wheels
17% HP
27% lb-ft Torque

Rear Wheels
83% HP
73% lb-ft Torque

This would be the best case scenario (when the electric motor assist is used).
When the motor is not used, the car will drop down to 395 HP and 347 lb-ft Torque (at the rear wheels).

Positioning the electric motor in the front will help with weight distribution.
As a consequence, the motor may usable during a wider driving range, assisting during acceleration and regular driving.
This is unlike current 4 wheel drive models which distribute most of the power to the rear wheels most of the time.

(I would hate to see the ICE engine shut down intermittently during highway cursing, effectively turning the 911 into a front-wheel drive electric car! But how could Porsche resist, if it helps bring down emissions, improve fuel economy, and increase range???)