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Old May 30, 2024 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PSPorsche
Porsche’s explanation is that 911s in motorsports now use a push button to start (on the left of course), so this change is in keeping with modern racing heritage.

(Keep in mind, the real reason - not the myth - that Porsche had the start key on the left was to reduce the copper wiring in order to cost costs).

Nevertheless, I could have forgiven the push button.

However, the implementation is soooo bad. This is obviously a "tacked-on" part to fit into the existing hole in the lower dash, without redesigning the lower dash.

In the photo here, the two plastic trim pieces on the left and right of the start assembly are there to cover up the resulting gaps in the lower dash. Although there is a shadow under the start assembly, I bet a plastic "plug" piece now covers original semicircular hole for the twist-to-start toggle.

I know Porsche couldn’t redesign the whole car for a mid-model refresh, but the new technological changes have forced them to “tack-on” bits and pieces here or there in a Frankensteinish manner.

If the hole is the same, maybe you can retrofit it with the turn key from the .1
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Old May 30, 2024 | 04:15 PM
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TTS is slated to have twin e-Turbos instead of the 1 in the GTS.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 04:23 PM
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well, I was thinking 718 GTS 4.0,...
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Old May 30, 2024 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by yellolab
well, I was thinking 718 GTS 4.0,...
I knew what you were thinking 😁
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Old May 30, 2024 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Breizh805
It's not even close. What a terrible choice by Porsche for the 911.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 05:49 PM
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Curious if anyone has ever seen the PTS color Grigio Campovolo and how it compares to Chalk.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gargey
It's not even close. What a terrible choice by Porsche for the 911.
Profits, profits, profits!

That button and photo comes off as very Nissan-esq.

Can't wait for the GT2 RS model to come with a red button and everyone starts doing a red push button swap.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 07:27 PM
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Curious if anyone has ever seen the PTS color Grigio Campovolo and how it compares to Chalk.
Why waste and extra 15k on a shade different. Just get chalk.
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Originally Posted by Airbus Gangster
Why waste and extra 15k on a shade different. Just get chalk.
50% of GT3 allocations would open up if people couldn't order PTS. Most people buy them just to say they got PTS on their GT3.

It's like paying for Voodoo blue when Shark is 95% identical. They just want to say PTS at C&C.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gargey
It's not even close. What a terrible choice by Porsche for the 911.
If at least there was some design on the push button assembly I'd be less upset. But it is the most basic push start button design on a $200K car.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by shrimp money
50% of GT3 allocations would open up if people couldn't order PTS. Most people buy them just to say they got PTS on their GT3.

It's like paying for Voodoo blue when Shark is 95% identical. They just want to say PTS at C&C.
Came here to say this
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Old May 30, 2024 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Airbus Gangster
Why waste and extra 15k on a shade different. Just get chalk.
I just saw the color and thought 'chalk' and the online configurator makes them look very close with chalk being a touch lighter.

I was just curious. I've never even heard of that color. However, one day chalk will get retired and go PTS.

I'm not getting a new 992 so it really isn't an issue.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 07:52 PM
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Is there anybody here who can explain why the WLTP (current standard in EU) emission values don't really come down at all in the new GTS even though Porsche is enforcing the Lambda=1 principle throughout the RPM range? In my mind it should have a huge effect compared to the earlier now that the mix is not allowed to run rich at all.

This is really bugging me. Primarily because almost half of the price of a 911 in my region is coming from taxes and the amount of tax is derived straight from the vehicle's WLTP emission value but I would also like to understand why this entire effort "just for the sake of emissions" and then the values barely come down/remain the same.

Cheers.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 3rdpedal
I just saw the color and thought 'chalk' and the online configurator makes them look very close with chalk being a touch lighter.

I was just curious. I've never even heard of that color. However, one day chalk will get retired and go PTS.

I'm not getting a new 992 so it really isn't an issue.
I got ya. I wonder if PTS is gonna be an issue this time around.
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Old May 30, 2024 | 08:24 PM
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Somebody pointed out this ledge and now I can’t un-see it. Looks like an underbite to me and the Porsche lettering seems to be integrated more poorly than before in the tail lights. Need to see it in person but to me the tails might be my least favorite design aspect with the update. Most other aspects I think will likely age well.
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