992.2 Info
05-28-2024, 03:27 PM
#2296
Two excerpts from the C&D article that I think will define the conversation between 992.1 and .2 cars:
"The single turbocharger is a Borg-Warner unit with a 27-hp electric motor sandwiched between the compressor and exhaust sides of the turbo. This motor greatly reduces turbo lag at low revs. For example, at 2000 rpm with a closed throttle, the old GTS required over three seconds to achieve full boost when the throttle was floored, while the new GTS does it in slightly less than one second—and that's while achieving considerably higher pressure."
"But the most impressive change might be in general street driving. Porsche says that when you floor the throttle from a dead stop, the new GTS covers 70.5 feet in the first two and a half seconds, compared to 47.6 feet for the old GTS. That astonishing improvement reflects the improved throttle response and should translate into great street performance."
Covering that much extra ground in 2.5 seconds is going to dramatically change the feel of these cars on the street (talking GTS vs GTS obviously). again... my "skin in the game" is to root for the .1 car that I own but I think the .2 hybrid powertrain is going to be quite fun to drive.... albeit no manual so us 3 pedal folk can still rest with our .1 cars
"The single turbocharger is a Borg-Warner unit with a 27-hp electric motor sandwiched between the compressor and exhaust sides of the turbo. This motor greatly reduces turbo lag at low revs. For example, at 2000 rpm with a closed throttle, the old GTS required over three seconds to achieve full boost when the throttle was floored, while the new GTS does it in slightly less than one second—and that's while achieving considerably higher pressure."
"But the most impressive change might be in general street driving. Porsche says that when you floor the throttle from a dead stop, the new GTS covers 70.5 feet in the first two and a half seconds, compared to 47.6 feet for the old GTS. That astonishing improvement reflects the improved throttle response and should translate into great street performance."
Covering that much extra ground in 2.5 seconds is going to dramatically change the feel of these cars on the street (talking GTS vs GTS obviously). again... my "skin in the game" is to root for the .1 car that I own but I think the .2 hybrid powertrain is going to be quite fun to drive.... albeit no manual so us 3 pedal folk can still rest with our .1 cars
05-28-2024, 03:30 PM
#2297
Three Wheelin'
Two excerpts from the C&D article that I think will define the conversation between 992.1 and .2 cars:
"The single turbocharger is a Borg-Warner unit with a 27-hp electric motor sandwiched between the compressor and exhaust sides of the turbo. This motor greatly reduces turbo lag at low revs. For example, at 2000 rpm with a closed throttle, the old GTS required over three seconds to achieve full boost when the throttle was floored, while the new GTS does it in slightly less than one second—and that's while achieving considerably higher pressure."
"But the most impressive change might be in general street driving. Porsche says that when you floor the throttle from a dead stop, the new GTS covers 70.5 feet in the first two and a half seconds, compared to 47.6 feet for the old GTS. That astonishing improvement reflects the improved throttle response and should translate into great street performance."
Covering that much extra ground in 2.5 seconds is going to dramatically change the feel of these cars on the street (talking GTS vs GTS obviously). again... my "skin in the game" is to root for the .1 car that I own but I think the .2 hybrid powertrain is going to be quite fun to drive.... albeit no manual so us 3 pedal folk can still rest with our .1 cars
"The single turbocharger is a Borg-Warner unit with a 27-hp electric motor sandwiched between the compressor and exhaust sides of the turbo. This motor greatly reduces turbo lag at low revs. For example, at 2000 rpm with a closed throttle, the old GTS required over three seconds to achieve full boost when the throttle was floored, while the new GTS does it in slightly less than one second—and that's while achieving considerably higher pressure."
"But the most impressive change might be in general street driving. Porsche says that when you floor the throttle from a dead stop, the new GTS covers 70.5 feet in the first two and a half seconds, compared to 47.6 feet for the old GTS. That astonishing improvement reflects the improved throttle response and should translate into great street performance."
Covering that much extra ground in 2.5 seconds is going to dramatically change the feel of these cars on the street (talking GTS vs GTS obviously). again... my "skin in the game" is to root for the .1 car that I own but I think the .2 hybrid powertrain is going to be quite fun to drive.... albeit no manual so us 3 pedal folk can still rest with our .1 cars
05-28-2024, 03:43 PM
#2298
I don't disagree either and every battery car has that performance metric covered as well. Boring.
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05-28-2024, 03:48 PM
#2299
Instructor
Yupe.
Basically Porsche charging $4.890 (SD kit cost) to paint body colored on the pieces that already on the car. I am sure all of this will safe cost and reduce manufacturing time as well.
For 992.2 you could go with standard body kit and have your favorite body shop paint the same pieces
05-28-2024, 03:51 PM
#2301
Intermediate
Yes. It was quite common knowledge that the 992.2 hybrid in whichever model trim it came to would be without the manual. It is seriously doubted that the GTS with this hybrid will re-introduce the manual transmission. The electric engine in the turbo charger could but not the additional electric engine to the drivetrain. I could be wrong.
The base was also update and has not had a manual. That leaves the reintroduction of the S model as the only potential spot for the manual. (Along with the T potentially).
The base was also update and has not had a manual. That leaves the reintroduction of the S model as the only potential spot for the manual. (Along with the T potentially).
Here's to hoping one of them has the GT4 4 liter, anyway.
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05-28-2024, 03:55 PM
#2302
Just a suggestion, but if you were to read through this thread over the past 24 hours you would see that your question has easily been asked at least 3-4 times and generally either myself or someone has has replied,
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05-28-2024, 04:02 PM
#2303
The base model Carrera is interesting now. It gets the 992 Turbo intercooler and GTS turbo but detuned.
For the 992 gen, APR stage 3 requires a GTS turbo swap and an upgraded intercooler for base model Carrera to hit 500hp+.
Now all the hardware comes with the car and it just needs a ECU flash to hit that power.
Edit: https://www.goapr.com/products/engin...parts/T2100084. Looking at the chart, it gets 560hp+ with 93
For the 992 gen, APR stage 3 requires a GTS turbo swap and an upgraded intercooler for base model Carrera to hit 500hp+.
Now all the hardware comes with the car and it just needs a ECU flash to hit that power.
Edit: https://www.goapr.com/products/engin...parts/T2100084. Looking at the chart, it gets 560hp+ with 93
Last edited by veo; 05-28-2024 at 04:10 PM.
05-28-2024, 04:13 PM
#2304
The base model Carrera is interesting now. It gets the 992 Turbo intercooler and GTS turbo but detuned.
For the 992 gen, APR stage 3 requires a GTS turbo swap and an upgraded intercooler for base model Carrera to hit 500hp+.
Now all the hardware comes with the car and it just needs a ECU flash to hit that power.
Edit: https://www.goapr.com/products/engin...parts/T2100084. Looking at the chart, it gets 560hp+ with 93
For the 992 gen, APR stage 3 requires a GTS turbo swap and an upgraded intercooler for base model Carrera to hit 500hp+.
Now all the hardware comes with the car and it just needs a ECU flash to hit that power.
Edit: https://www.goapr.com/products/engin...parts/T2100084. Looking at the chart, it gets 560hp+ with 93
05-28-2024, 04:14 PM
#2305
Racer
Lets talk about Nurburging time and weight of the car as claimed.
Im kinda dissapointed due to few facts after watching the presentation - the car is visibly faster in straight line (Mat Watson / Carwow race), which means thats where the 8s will come from, especially the GTS now comes default on CUP tires (you can check in configuraton) and tires are bigger in the back.
They also tested the car with aero package vs 992.1 without. No clue about rear axle steering, but thats not standard on 992.1
That basically means 992.1 gts will be faster in corners, while 992.2 will be putting up more power in straight line, am I thinking this correctly?
base trim on GTS have NO REAR SEATS (its still a 0$ option), so thats another ~20kg (?) off the car compared to 992.1 which had them?
Also im pretty sure they removed rear seats as base and left it as 0$ option to keep the weight of the car under 1600kg for catalog and to say that the difference vs 992.1 is barely 50kg, which is kinda missleading.
And last thing - anyone found how the active aero works on gts? its just for cooling like the base trim on 992.1 had?
Im kinda dissapointed due to few facts after watching the presentation - the car is visibly faster in straight line (Mat Watson / Carwow race), which means thats where the 8s will come from, especially the GTS now comes default on CUP tires (you can check in configuraton) and tires are bigger in the back.
They also tested the car with aero package vs 992.1 without. No clue about rear axle steering, but thats not standard on 992.1
That basically means 992.1 gts will be faster in corners, while 992.2 will be putting up more power in straight line, am I thinking this correctly?
base trim on GTS have NO REAR SEATS (its still a 0$ option), so thats another ~20kg (?) off the car compared to 992.1 which had them?
Also im pretty sure they removed rear seats as base and left it as 0$ option to keep the weight of the car under 1600kg for catalog and to say that the difference vs 992.1 is barely 50kg, which is kinda missleading.
And last thing - anyone found how the active aero works on gts? its just for cooling like the base trim on 992.1 had?
Porsche 911 Hybrid Beat Its Predecessor's 'Ring Time by 8.7 Ticks (caranddriver.com)
05-28-2024, 04:25 PM
#2306
Instructor
The current cars have way more power than I need, but I do appreciate the focus of the hybrid being on eliminating turbo lag. I personally find that approach to be very compelling.
I am disappointed, but not at all surprised, that the Matrix lights are still disabled for the US market. I blame NHTSA more than Porsche and I know there are options to activate it, but it is sad to see new models being announced that still disable that technology.
And while the purists may disagree, I really wish they added a Heads Up Display option. I find it useful and those who don't could still choose not to spec/buy it.
I am disappointed, but not at all surprised, that the Matrix lights are still disabled for the US market. I blame NHTSA more than Porsche and I know there are options to activate it, but it is sad to see new models being announced that still disable that technology.
And while the purists may disagree, I really wish they added a Heads Up Display option. I find it useful and those who don't could still choose not to spec/buy it.
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05-28-2024, 04:45 PM
#2307
05-28-2024, 04:50 PM
#2309
Rennlist Member
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05-28-2024, 04:53 PM
#2310
I called that out in the pre-release video. They had doctored each frame of the video to explicitly darken the front grills.