Sports Cars Instead Of A 911...
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Sports Cars Instead Of A 911...
I think I'm getting these articles to cancel my T order and buy something else but I don't think there's anything appealing on the list for me. Maybe M3 (instead of M8) but thats not even on the list.
Why so much hate on 911?
Link: https://www.hotcars.com/sports-cars-wed-rather-have-instead-of-porsche-911/
Why so much hate on 911?
Link: https://www.hotcars.com/sports-cars-wed-rather-have-instead-of-porsche-911/
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02-13-2023, 09:02 AM
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There’s no hate on the 911.
Truth be told, there aren’t a lot of other new sports car options in the $120k-250k price segment. If you’re looking for a manual transmission sports car, the 911 is the only option.
The books have closed on the Acura NSX. The final Audi R8 allocations are dear if not already gone.
The Jaguar F Type is still kicking around, though that car is really more of a GT. There’s the Vantage, which if you are looking for a GT, there’s the definitive one. The AMG GT is the sportiest of that bunch, but it’s been retired.
Above the 911 price tier, you’ve got the McLarens, V10 Lambos, and the MC20. Typically, with money in that upper range, you’re no longer making either/or buy decisions.
Below the 911 price bracket, you have the Emira and C8. If you are looking below the Emira and C8, you really aren’t looking at a new 911 as a serious option.
M3 has been a 4 door for more than a decade now. I have posted elsewhere, I don’t consider the M3/M4 as something being sincerely cross shopped with 911s — yes, someone will chime in that they thought about it and really happy with their M car. It’s a fine car for the price segment, though I am of the opinion that the Giulia is, dynamically, a better 3 series than anything BMW has built in years.
Truth be told, there aren’t a lot of other new sports car options in the $120k-250k price segment. If you’re looking for a manual transmission sports car, the 911 is the only option.
The books have closed on the Acura NSX. The final Audi R8 allocations are dear if not already gone.
The Jaguar F Type is still kicking around, though that car is really more of a GT. There’s the Vantage, which if you are looking for a GT, there’s the definitive one. The AMG GT is the sportiest of that bunch, but it’s been retired.
Above the 911 price tier, you’ve got the McLarens, V10 Lambos, and the MC20. Typically, with money in that upper range, you’re no longer making either/or buy decisions.
Below the 911 price bracket, you have the Emira and C8. If you are looking below the Emira and C8, you really aren’t looking at a new 911 as a serious option.
M3 has been a 4 door for more than a decade now. I have posted elsewhere, I don’t consider the M3/M4 as something being sincerely cross shopped with 911s — yes, someone will chime in that they thought about it and really happy with their M car. It’s a fine car for the price segment, though I am of the opinion that the Giulia is, dynamically, a better 3 series than anything BMW has built in years.
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The lack of any exhaust sound. My wife’s Odyssey is louder.
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There’s no hate on the 911.
Truth be told, there aren’t a lot of other new sports car options in the $120k-250k price segment. If you’re looking for a manual transmission sports car, the 911 is the only option.
The books have closed on the Acura NSX. The final Audi R8 allocations are dear if not already gone.
The Jaguar F Type is still kicking around, though that car is really more of a GT. There’s the Vantage, which if you are looking for a GT, there’s the definitive one. The AMG GT is the sportiest of that bunch, but it’s been retired.
Above the 911 price tier, you’ve got the McLarens, V10 Lambos, and the MC20. Typically, with money in that upper range, you’re no longer making either/or buy decisions.
Below the 911 price bracket, you have the Emira and C8. If you are looking below the Emira and C8, you really aren’t looking at a new 911 as a serious option.
M3 has been a 4 door for more than a decade now. I have posted elsewhere, I don’t consider the M3/M4 as something being sincerely cross shopped with 911s — yes, someone will chime in that they thought about it and really happy with their M car. It’s a fine car for the price segment, though I am of the opinion that the Giulia is, dynamically, a better 3 series than anything BMW has built in years.
Truth be told, there aren’t a lot of other new sports car options in the $120k-250k price segment. If you’re looking for a manual transmission sports car, the 911 is the only option.
The books have closed on the Acura NSX. The final Audi R8 allocations are dear if not already gone.
The Jaguar F Type is still kicking around, though that car is really more of a GT. There’s the Vantage, which if you are looking for a GT, there’s the definitive one. The AMG GT is the sportiest of that bunch, but it’s been retired.
Above the 911 price tier, you’ve got the McLarens, V10 Lambos, and the MC20. Typically, with money in that upper range, you’re no longer making either/or buy decisions.
Below the 911 price bracket, you have the Emira and C8. If you are looking below the Emira and C8, you really aren’t looking at a new 911 as a serious option.
M3 has been a 4 door for more than a decade now. I have posted elsewhere, I don’t consider the M3/M4 as something being sincerely cross shopped with 911s — yes, someone will chime in that they thought about it and really happy with their M car. It’s a fine car for the price segment, though I am of the opinion that the Giulia is, dynamically, a better 3 series than anything BMW has built in years.
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Depending on where you live, this could be a feature rather than a bug. Also pretty easy to address if you insist on making lots of noise. With the valves open, the GTS is plenty loud for me!
Echoing the other reply, McLarens are definitely nice if you've got the coin. I'd also love a V10 R8 with gated shifter, but I'm gonna love having the 911 back seats until the kids are grown. I grew up going to car shows on the weekend with my grandpa and always dreamed of having a car worthy of showing off. That dream is finally about to come true next week, and I can't wait to bring the kiddos to weekend meets!
Echoing the other reply, McLarens are definitely nice if you've got the coin. I'd also love a V10 R8 with gated shifter, but I'm gonna love having the 911 back seats until the kids are grown. I grew up going to car shows on the weekend with my grandpa and always dreamed of having a car worthy of showing off. That dream is finally about to come true next week, and I can't wait to bring the kiddos to weekend meets!
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The 911 is often referred to as the quintessential sports car for a reason. The Porsche holds its own when compared to the more expensive exotics like Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren. Can't say the same for next tier down of sports cars.
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You're going to think I'm crazy, but... M2 Competition
I've been banging the drum about this car for a bit and for good reason. It's definitely a sports car - performance on the track is awesome. I was passing Corvettes and I'm terrible. Good power, excellent handling, surprisingly good steering feel (at least with optional M performance coilovers and M performance wheels). It's a nimble car that's fun to drive and has compact dimensions. The performance limits are high and it's easy to manipulate on the edge of traction. The rear end lets go in a predictable way and you can really thread the needle. Real sports car stuff. It's also available in a manual.
Caveat - this is in reference to the F87. I can't vouch for the newest one.
Yes the Carrera is an overall more refined and precise sports car, but I don't think it's necessarily more fun. Of course, the 911 is sexier and has much higher cachet. It is a status symbol in a way that the M2 can't come close to matching. So it really depends on your priorities, and I don't judge if someone wants a 911 just for the simple fact that it's a 911.
I've been banging the drum about this car for a bit and for good reason. It's definitely a sports car - performance on the track is awesome. I was passing Corvettes and I'm terrible. Good power, excellent handling, surprisingly good steering feel (at least with optional M performance coilovers and M performance wheels). It's a nimble car that's fun to drive and has compact dimensions. The performance limits are high and it's easy to manipulate on the edge of traction. The rear end lets go in a predictable way and you can really thread the needle. Real sports car stuff. It's also available in a manual.
Caveat - this is in reference to the F87. I can't vouch for the newest one.
Yes the Carrera is an overall more refined and precise sports car, but I don't think it's necessarily more fun. Of course, the 911 is sexier and has much higher cachet. It is a status symbol in a way that the M2 can't come close to matching. So it really depends on your priorities, and I don't judge if someone wants a 911 just for the simple fact that it's a 911.
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There’s no hate on the 911.
M3 has been a 4 door for more than a decade now. I have posted elsewhere, I don’t consider the M3/M4 as something being sincerely cross shopped with 911s — yes, someone will chime in that they thought about it and really happy with their M car. It’s a fine car for the price segment, though I am of the opinion that the Giulia is, dynamically, a better 3 series than anything BMW has built in years.
M3 has been a 4 door for more than a decade now. I have posted elsewhere, I don’t consider the M3/M4 as something being sincerely cross shopped with 911s — yes, someone will chime in that they thought about it and really happy with their M car. It’s a fine car for the price segment, though I am of the opinion that the Giulia is, dynamically, a better 3 series than anything BMW has built in years.
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detansinn (02-13-2023)
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Has to be 2-door, manual and RWD for me, so the list is pretty short -
911
718
Emira
Camaro / Mustang
Supra manual
GR86 / BRZ
Miata
911 is clearly at the top of that list
911
718
Emira
Camaro / Mustang
Supra manual
GR86 / BRZ
Miata
911 is clearly at the top of that list
Last edited by 6sigma; 02-13-2023 at 11:12 AM. Reason: forgot Miata
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You are funny...I do have the 992 and the bottom two...and while I very, very much enjoy the 86 and Miata I would never think to compare them against each other. That comparison just makes no sense.
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I've also had two 981 Boxsters and the 718 4.0 has been taunting me but I think for us the sweet spot is a MT C4S. Just got back from an hour drive in 35 degree weather. A winter tire and wheel set makes these cars truly year round drivers. Probably true for the 718 platform as well with proper tires (and no deep snow for any of the above of course).
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You're going to think I'm crazy, but... M2 Competition
I've been banging the drum about this car for a bit and for good reason. It's definitely a sports car - performance on the track is awesome. I was passing Corvettes and I'm terrible. Good power, excellent handling, surprisingly good steering feel (at least with optional M performance coilovers and M performance wheels). It's a nimble car that's fun to drive and has compact dimensions. The performance limits are high and it's easy to manipulate on the edge of traction. The rear end lets go in a predictable way and you can really thread the needle. Real sports car stuff. It's also available in a manual.
Caveat - this is in reference to the F87. I can't vouch for the newest one.
Yes the Carrera is an overall more refined and precise sports car, but I don't think it's necessarily more fun. Of course, the 911 is sexier and has much higher cachet. It is a status symbol in a way that the M2 can't come close to matching. So it really depends on your priorities, and I don't judge if someone wants a 911 just for the simple fact that it's a 911.
I've been banging the drum about this car for a bit and for good reason. It's definitely a sports car - performance on the track is awesome. I was passing Corvettes and I'm terrible. Good power, excellent handling, surprisingly good steering feel (at least with optional M performance coilovers and M performance wheels). It's a nimble car that's fun to drive and has compact dimensions. The performance limits are high and it's easy to manipulate on the edge of traction. The rear end lets go in a predictable way and you can really thread the needle. Real sports car stuff. It's also available in a manual.
Caveat - this is in reference to the F87. I can't vouch for the newest one.
Yes the Carrera is an overall more refined and precise sports car, but I don't think it's necessarily more fun. Of course, the 911 is sexier and has much higher cachet. It is a status symbol in a way that the M2 can't come close to matching. So it really depends on your priorities, and I don't judge if someone wants a 911 just for the simple fact that it's a 911.
The F87 M2 Comp is a great sports car overall. It comes with a manual gearbox and rear wheel drive, so it's a lot of fun to drive. My only complaint is that BMW no longer produces naturally aspirated engines, and that's a real shame. Most Porsche engines are also turbocharged these days, but at least NA engines are still available in Porsche GT cars.
The Mazda Miata is another great sports car with a manual gearbox, rear wheel drive AND a NA engine. I honestly think I've had more fun over the years driving Miatas than anything else.
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Right, I agree, just listing 2-door, RWD, manual sports cars irrespective of price - not comparing them against each other. I forgot the M2 also, but I think that's really the current available new cars (in the US anyway). Technically the Challenger is still available with a manual but I don't consider it a sports car. Just my opinion, not knocking the car.
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I would love to have an Aston Martin, but besides the closest Dealership being 5-ish hours away from me, their reliability makes me nervous about buying one. I think they are some of the best looking cars on the road today.
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Right, I agree, just listing 2-door, RWD, manual sports cars irrespective of price - not comparing them against each other. I forgot the M2 also, but I think that's really the current available new cars (in the US anyway). Technically the Challenger is still available with a manual but I don't consider it a sports car. Just my opinion, not knocking the car.