Sports Cars Instead Of A 911...
#61
M850i = put me in a box and call me dead. It may be fast, and comfortable, but that's not the sort of car I would opt for instead of a 911. Not even part of the same conversation.
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Agree with the above, but it is also boring and devoid of feel/good drama like almost every new BMW lately. Especially since they moved away from DCTs and put the ZF8 in everything for cost cutting purposes. Of course while not passing that savings on to the consumer unfortunately.
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Agree with the above, but it is also boring and devoid of feel/good drama like almost every new BMW lately. Especially since they moved away from DCTs and put the ZF8 in everything for cost cutting purposes. Of course while not passing that savings on to the consumer unfortunately.
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I can definitely see that, they are beautiful and obviously very capable cars.
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I'm at a loss as to what to get instead after finding out last week from the same salesman from whom I bought a new Cayenne last summer that he "doesn't remember" - that's what he says - our lengthy conversion during which he told me that he could get a 992 allocation for me by now. I'm reminded by past experience with this salesman that he really doesn't have a great memory but I'm still amazed. I'm more disappointed than pissed. Nothing that happens at car dealerships surprises me anymore. I'm suppose I'm even more miffed due to this salesman telling me that I would get some preference on a 992 allocation due to my purchasing the new Cayenne.
I had hoped to get the 911 delivered before my wife's 75th birthday in May. It would have been her daily driver ... more like her weekly driver ... for what little driving she does ...I've done nationwide searches of available new 911's and haven't found anything close to what I would have ordered which would have been very highly optioned with safety and convenience features including InnoDrive, Active Lane Keeping, Night Vision Assist, Park Assist and Surround View. Everything she drives "must" be white and have a glass roof. The 992 I had spec'ed out with this salesman would have been a hair under $140K not including a $2K ADM.
There just doesn't seem to be anything else that compares with the 911 in format, size and features. My wife doesn't do very well with large vehicles. The 992's dimensions are in the sweet spot she can handle and it is slightly smaller than her current car.
Rats!
I had hoped to get the 911 delivered before my wife's 75th birthday in May. It would have been her daily driver ... more like her weekly driver ... for what little driving she does ...I've done nationwide searches of available new 911's and haven't found anything close to what I would have ordered which would have been very highly optioned with safety and convenience features including InnoDrive, Active Lane Keeping, Night Vision Assist, Park Assist and Surround View. Everything she drives "must" be white and have a glass roof. The 992 I had spec'ed out with this salesman would have been a hair under $140K not including a $2K ADM.
There just doesn't seem to be anything else that compares with the 911 in format, size and features. My wife doesn't do very well with large vehicles. The 992's dimensions are in the sweet spot she can handle and it is slightly smaller than her current car.
Rats!
#67
I bought an M3 Competition xDrive while I wait for my 992 allocation. It's fast, fun, and gets tons and tons of compliments if that's your thing.
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Tupper (02-18-2023)
#68
Me2!
You're going to think I'm crazy, but... M2 Competition
I've been banging the drum about this car for a bit and for good reason. It's definitely a sports car - performance on the track is awesome. I was passing Corvettes and I'm terrible. Good power, excellent handling, surprisingly good steering feel (at least with optional M performance coilovers and M performance wheels). It's a nimble car that's fun to drive and has compact dimensions. The performance limits are high and it's easy to manipulate on the edge of traction. The rear end lets go in a predictable way and you can really thread the needle. Real sports car stuff. It's also available in a manual.
Caveat - this is in reference to the F87. I can't vouch for the newest one.
Yes the Carrera is an overall more refined and precise sports car, but I don't think it's necessarily more fun. Of course, the 911 is sexier and has much higher cachet. It is a status symbol in a way that the M2 can't come close to matching. So it really depends on your priorities, and I don't judge if someone wants a 911 just for the simple fact that it's a 911.
I've been banging the drum about this car for a bit and for good reason. It's definitely a sports car - performance on the track is awesome. I was passing Corvettes and I'm terrible. Good power, excellent handling, surprisingly good steering feel (at least with optional M performance coilovers and M performance wheels). It's a nimble car that's fun to drive and has compact dimensions. The performance limits are high and it's easy to manipulate on the edge of traction. The rear end lets go in a predictable way and you can really thread the needle. Real sports car stuff. It's also available in a manual.
Caveat - this is in reference to the F87. I can't vouch for the newest one.
Yes the Carrera is an overall more refined and precise sports car, but I don't think it's necessarily more fun. Of course, the 911 is sexier and has much higher cachet. It is a status symbol in a way that the M2 can't come close to matching. So it really depends on your priorities, and I don't judge if someone wants a 911 just for the simple fact that it's a 911.
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I'm at a loss as to what to get instead after finding out last week from the same salesman from whom I bought a new Cayenne last summer that he "doesn't remember" - that's what he says - our lengthy conversion during which he told me that he could get a 992 allocation for me by now. I'm reminded by past experience with this salesman that he really doesn't have a great memory but I'm still amazed. I'm more disappointed than pissed. Nothing that happens at car dealerships surprises me anymore. I'm suppose I'm even more miffed due to this salesman telling me that I would get some preference on a 992 allocation due to my purchasing the new Cayenne.
I had hoped to get the 911 delivered before my wife's 75th birthday in May. It would have been her daily driver ... more like her weekly driver ... for what little driving she does ...I've done nationwide searches of available new 911's and haven't found anything close to what I would have ordered which would have been very highly optioned with safety and convenience features including InnoDrive, Active Lane Keeping, Night Vision Assist, Park Assist and Surround View. Everything she drives "must" be white and have a glass roof. The 992 I had spec'ed out with this salesman would have been a hair under $140K not including a $2K ADM.
There just doesn't seem to be anything else that compares with the 911 in format, size and features. My wife doesn't do very well with large vehicles. The 992's dimensions are in the sweet spot she can handle and it is slightly smaller than her current car.
Rats!
I had hoped to get the 911 delivered before my wife's 75th birthday in May. It would have been her daily driver ... more like her weekly driver ... for what little driving she does ...I've done nationwide searches of available new 911's and haven't found anything close to what I would have ordered which would have been very highly optioned with safety and convenience features including InnoDrive, Active Lane Keeping, Night Vision Assist, Park Assist and Surround View. Everything she drives "must" be white and have a glass roof. The 992 I had spec'ed out with this salesman would have been a hair under $140K not including a $2K ADM.
There just doesn't seem to be anything else that compares with the 911 in format, size and features. My wife doesn't do very well with large vehicles. The 992's dimensions are in the sweet spot she can handle and it is slightly smaller than her current car.
Rats!
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I am thinking of moving on from my GT4 (and Porsche after 10+ years) and the Vantage keeps catching my eye. I test drove a V8 Vantage and it definitely felt more like a GT car but was great to drive. It had just ridiculous amounts of torque, handled great, sounded awesome. There are a few things holding me back. 1) the electronics are very stale and no CarPlay makes it almost a non-starter 2) the local dealer swears they are reliable with the Mercedes electronics and engine but haven’t been able to corroborate 3) the depreciation is way worse than Porsche. Funny enough, the cost of maintenance is lower than my local Porsche dealer.
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I am thinking of moving on from my GT4 (and Porsche after 10+ years) and the Vantage keeps catching my eye. I test drove a V8 Vantage and it definitely felt more like a GT car but was great to drive. It had just ridiculous amounts of torque, handled great, sounded awesome. There are a few things holding me back. 1) the electronics are very stale and no CarPlay makes it almost a non-starter 2) the local dealer swears they are reliable with the Mercedes electronics and engine but haven’t been able to corroborate 3) the depreciation is way worse than Porsche. Funny enough, the cost of maintenance is lower than my local Porsche dealer.
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So up front will admit that if things had not outpriced me in the last few years I would have gotten a 992 (as my likel;y last car before the proverbiale Toyota Avalon drives me off to eternity) BUT I had a fairly heavily modified e90 and got nervous on it's 9 th birthday so I drove a Boxster S- the sales lady yelled at me twice for driving too fast yet I could not get it into the "fun zone"- like a loudspeaker that does not open up in the lower half of it's loudness range- I went for an M2 C and added about 18K in mods ( you could spend that on leather in a 911)- and it's sublime- extra 100 HP with warrenty from Dinan- real steering feel and much better rear diff action from M2 CS tune (also those Euro lights the 911 still can't get- $150). Looks and fit and finish of course are not 911 level but it's a great looker with some black trim bits and nice wheels. No argument here and wanted a 911 for 54 years or so but it's OK.
Re: Boxster - NA is fun, but not all NA is fun. Some NA is just flat out boring. In the Carreras, for instance, I favor the 992 C2S to the 991 C2S. I don’t love revving the sh*t out of a car and getting nowhere. If the car is super light and has a lightweight flywheel and freely revs with minimal inertia then low powered NA is fun. High powered NA are few and far between, but those are awesome…and hard to find/expensive.
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