Car Transport Ship Felicity Ace Catches Fire Mid Atlantic
#421
A lot depends on methodology….and a lot of these reliability surveys arrive at their conclusions based on customer response surveys.My own opinion is - many Porsche owners are so enamored with their new Porsche’s…infatuated…they often are less critical of the car flaws. That said, I love my 992, but it does have some flaws…and more than some cars rating lower. But I still enjoy the car, immensely.
Years ago I carried on a discussion with the head of CR on their methodology. I said it was flawed and the President/CEO disagreed. My point to him was very simple - at that time, CR rated all reliability issues/flaws, equally. They were all given the same weight. For example, a reliability issue with the transmission, would have the same reliability “score” as the car with a burnt out light. I believe that CR ultimately corrected this, and no longer weights (to determine a products reliability index) equally.
My point here is - Be careful when drawing conclusions based on statistics…they can be manipulated/misleading. Unfortunately, most Americans are not interested in understanding the results, they just want things summarized in very simple terms, Dumbed down.
Years ago I carried on a discussion with the head of CR on their methodology. I said it was flawed and the President/CEO disagreed. My point to him was very simple - at that time, CR rated all reliability issues/flaws, equally. They were all given the same weight. For example, a reliability issue with the transmission, would have the same reliability “score” as the car with a burnt out light. I believe that CR ultimately corrected this, and no longer weights (to determine a products reliability index) equally.
My point here is - Be careful when drawing conclusions based on statistics…they can be manipulated/misleading. Unfortunately, most Americans are not interested in understanding the results, they just want things summarized in very simple terms, Dumbed down.
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#423
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Murray didn't have an engine problem. He explained in a recent video that there was some electrical module that was replaced but there was a software mis-match because components, which have to be VIN-matched to the car, came from different model years so the car kept throwing codes.
The car was eventually fixed and re-sold in Texas he said.
The car was eventually fixed and re-sold in Texas he said.
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#424
I feel your frustration as I too was hoping for a new delivery to be fairly soon after the ship fire. 2-3 months was what I was hoping for especially after Porsche was going to "prioritize" replacement builds. Guess I was way wrong. My replacement cars build date is mid June! Then another couple months for transport and dealer delivery. And that is if all goes well. So at the moment, it will be ANOTHER 6 months.
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#425
They will probably prioritize as early as they can. Porsches come in thousands of configurations, and with the just in time delivery of parts from suppliers they can't just put replacement cars to the front of the line as they won't have all the right parts.
#426
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Looks like some owners are getting free upgrades as compensation?
VW Group Dealers Notifying People Their New Car Burned Out In Ship Fire (msn.com)
"It's going to cause us even more shipping delays because we now have one less transport vessel," a Porsche dealer from suburban Philadelphia told Automotive News. In order to compensate a customer for an expected four-month delay in the delivery of his brand new Cayenne, the dealer had to upgrade the vehicle to the Platinum trim at no cost. “The Platinum is more expensive than the original order. But we are keeping the pricing the same for the customer."
VW Group Dealers Notifying People Their New Car Burned Out In Ship Fire (msn.com)
"It's going to cause us even more shipping delays because we now have one less transport vessel," a Porsche dealer from suburban Philadelphia told Automotive News. In order to compensate a customer for an expected four-month delay in the delivery of his brand new Cayenne, the dealer had to upgrade the vehicle to the Platinum trim at no cost. “The Platinum is more expensive than the original order. But we are keeping the pricing the same for the customer."
The Platinum edition is merely a cosmetic package (black Satin finish to the exterior bits, some interior bits with textured aluminum) as well as some standalone options included as standard (like LED headlights, Bose, sunroof, etc.).
So depending on what the original build was, which I imagine probably included things like LED headlights, sunroof, Bose), then the only thing they are upgrading to is the black satin paint on the outside. Whoopee!
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#428
Drifting
They have a team that boarded the ship today.
#429
It wasn't just luxury cars onboard the Felicity Ace...
There are 3965 cars inside the Felicity Ace, most of them luxury cars and hundreds of supercars. What most people don't know is that there are a few normal people everyday cars in there, mostly from military personnel overseas. My 2017 VW Jetta is in there. I know of a guy from my area in Germany who lost his 2015 Mustang. I have USAA comprehensive insurance with Maritime insurance so they should pay off my car loan.
I have no idea if the shipping companies involved will compensate me for anything. I've read shipping companies normally have little liability. That may not be the case if negligence was involved, but this fire was very likely started by lithium batteries on electric cars.
I paid $2300 to have my car shipped from Kaiserslautern to Austin and I will demand a refund when the loss is confirmed. I believe ALL cars in the ship must be damaged beyond repair. A Japanese company owns the ship but Volkswagen Logistics runs the operation. I have no idea if these companies may owe us anything for our losses.
The shipping company emailed my asking what is the current value of my car. You guys think they may compensate me?
I have no idea if the shipping companies involved will compensate me for anything. I've read shipping companies normally have little liability. That may not be the case if negligence was involved, but this fire was very likely started by lithium batteries on electric cars.
I paid $2300 to have my car shipped from Kaiserslautern to Austin and I will demand a refund when the loss is confirmed. I believe ALL cars in the ship must be damaged beyond repair. A Japanese company owns the ship but Volkswagen Logistics runs the operation. I have no idea if these companies may owe us anything for our losses.
The shipping company emailed my asking what is the current value of my car. You guys think they may compensate me?
#430
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are you in the military? They don't pay for vehicle shipping anymore?
#432
Zero sympathy, for any soldier who disobeys an order, without a justified exemption. Clearly, the military is not for you, but appreciate your honesty.
PS - Yes, I was in the military, and come from a military family
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...d-vaccine.html
”Soldiers have limited options to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine, and may have a hard time claiming an exemption if they have never protested a dozen-plus other vaccines the Defense Department mandates for all troops, according to new Army guidelines.Punishments for troops, especially senior leaders, who steadfastly refuse without an exemption could include discharge.”
Full list of REQUIRED (before basic training) vaccines in the military:
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccin...-covid-1641228
If you have a documented history of protesting these vaccines, you may have grounds not to be required to take the COVID vaccine.
PS - Yes, I was in the military, and come from a military family
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...d-vaccine.html
”Soldiers have limited options to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine, and may have a hard time claiming an exemption if they have never protested a dozen-plus other vaccines the Defense Department mandates for all troops, according to new Army guidelines.Punishments for troops, especially senior leaders, who steadfastly refuse without an exemption could include discharge.”
Full list of REQUIRED (before basic training) vaccines in the military:
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccin...-covid-1641228
- Adenovirus
- Hepatitis A
- Hepatitis B
- Influenza
- Measles, mumps, rubella
- Meningococcal
- Poliovirus
- Tetanus-Diphtheria
- Varicella
- Anthrax
- Haemophilus influenzae type B
- Japanese encephalitis
- Pneumococcal
- Rabies
- Smallpox
- Typhoid fever
- Yellow fever
If you have a documented history of protesting these vaccines, you may have grounds not to be required to take the COVID vaccine.
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 02-26-2022 at 08:07 PM.
#433
Drifting
Zero sympathy, for any soldier who disobeys an order, without a justified exemption. Clearly, the military is not for you, but appreciate your honesty.
PS - Yes, I was in the military, and come from a military family
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...d-vaccine.html
”Soldiers have limited options to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine, and may have a hard time claiming an exemption if they have never protested a dozen-plus other vaccines the Defense Department mandates for all troops, according to new Army guidelines.Punishments for troops, especially senior leaders, who steadfastly refuse without an exemption could include discharge.”
Full list of REQUIRED (before basic training) vaccines in the military:
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccin...-covid-1641228
If you have a documented history of protesting these vaccines, you may have grounds not to be required to take the COVID vaccine.
PS - Yes, I was in the military, and come from a military family
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...d-vaccine.html
”Soldiers have limited options to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine, and may have a hard time claiming an exemption if they have never protested a dozen-plus other vaccines the Defense Department mandates for all troops, according to new Army guidelines.Punishments for troops, especially senior leaders, who steadfastly refuse without an exemption could include discharge.”
Full list of REQUIRED (before basic training) vaccines in the military:
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccin...-covid-1641228
- Adenovirus
- Hepatitis A
- Hepatitis B
- Influenza
- Measles, mumps, rubella
- Meningococcal
- Poliovirus
- Tetanus-Diphtheria
- Varicella
- Anthrax
- Haemophilus influenzae type B
- Japanese encephalitis
- Pneumococcal
- Rabies
- Smallpox
- Typhoid fever
- Yellow fever
If you have a documented history of protesting these vaccines, you may have grounds not to be required to take the COVID vaccine.
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#434
I don’t need to know his personal circumstances. I’m not the one who discharged (“banned”) him. If he has a legit case, then he appeals the decision, based on the military’s recognized exemptions. But it sounds like either he had no case, or appealed and was denied. The military has it rules, and as I said, it’s not for everyone.
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