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Old 08-26-2021, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 991.1 Guy
Why would a manual be "weaker"?
it’s more like the PDK was reinforced from prior generation to handle double the torque for electrification while the manual was left untouched.
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Originally Posted by 991.1 Guy
Why would a manual be "weaker"?
The attachment points of synchros to drive gears are one weak point.The other is the angle cut teeth on the gears and synchros. It is difficult to make the teeth robust enough to handle the transfer of torque. Thats is why most racing gear boxes use straight cut gears. Straight cut is much stronger. With a PDK all the gears are engaged all the time and a clutch pack shifts power from one gear set to other and that is much easier on the mechanicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4CuWlnJY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TGUVLBhzOE

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Originally Posted by BIGWORM
It's been my experience that MPG goes up when you get a tune. Most factory tunes are on the rich side of the spectrum.
This^^^^^
Old 08-26-2021, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
The attachment points of syncros to drive gears are one weak point.The other is the angle cut teeth on the gears and syncros. It is difficult to make the teeth robust enough to handle the transfer of torque. Thats is why most racing gear boxes use straight cut gears. Straight cut is much stronger.
I have had numerous manual transmissions problems over many years from hard use etc. It was with only one exception synchronizers. They begin to fail, gears grind and bust.
Old 08-26-2021, 08:38 PM
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Alright ... flashed and tested! The whole process of flashing took less than 6 minutes. After the flash the car threw all kinds of errors which could all be deleted using the M-Tuner software. They did not come back. The idle was a little rough at first but that was to be expected. I let her idle for about 5 minutes before I took off. The tune is MUCH stronger than the JB4 was. It is however "civilized" - I guess I expected some more violence from 545WHP (normal mode). At WOT in sport mode there's definitely way more excitement going on. The best part is however the improved shift feel in comparison to the JB4. The PDK does not get reprogrammed but it seems like the JB4 messed with it. All-in-all I'm very happy with the tune and highly recommend it.
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Old 08-26-2021, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HashTag
Alright ... flashed and tested! The whole process of flashing took less than 6 minutes. After the flash the car threw all kinds of errors which could all be deleted using the M-Tuner software. They did not come back. The idle was a little rough at first but that was to be expected. I let her idle for about 5 minutes before I took off. The tune is MUCH stronger than the JB4 was. It is however "civilized" - I guess I expected some more violence from 545WHP (normal mode). At WOT in sport mode there's definitely way more excitement going on. The best part is however the improved shift feel in comparison to the JB4. The PDK does not get reprogrammed but it seems like the JB4 messed with it. All-in-all I'm very happy with the tune and highly recommend it.

So does it set up as the following:
1. Normal (im using random numbers for example): +30hp
2. Sport + 60 hp
3. Sport Plus +100hp

OR

Each drive modes provides +100 hp however the power delivery is mapped differently ?


I'm new to the tuning world, so have many newbie questions.

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Old 08-26-2021, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
The attachment points of synchros to drive gears are one weak point.The other is the angle cut teeth on the gears and synchros. It is difficult to make the teeth robust enough to handle the transfer of torque. Thats is why most racing gear boxes use straight cut gears. Straight cut is much stronger. With a PDK all the gears are engaged all time and a clutch pack shifts power from one gear set to other and that is much easier on the mechanicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4CuWlnJY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TGUVLBhzOE
Thank you. I learned something.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GTClone992
So does it set up as the following:
1. Normal (im using random numbers for example): +30hp
2. Sport + 60 hp
3. Sport Plus +100hp

OR

Each drive modes provides +100 hp however the power delivery is mapped differently ?


I'm new to the tuning world, so have many newbie questions.
No. It's my understanding that the added horsepower is available in all modes. Normal mode just feels sluggish in comparison.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:17 PM
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Thanks for the feedback HashTag! I’m definitely ordering soon.

For those that may be interested in some numbers, a local guy I know in Dallas did the M-eng tune a while back (ecu removal/bench flash) on his C2S… and his
60-130 time went from 9.5 to 7.1,
1/4 mile time from 11.3 @124 to 10.6 @128ish, and 0-60 from 3.1 to 2.8 (with 1ft rollout).

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Old 08-26-2021, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by reddsektor
Thanks for the feedback HashTag! I’m definitely ordering soon.

For those that may be interested in some numbers, a local guy I know in Dallas did the M-eng tune a while back (ecu removal/bench flash) on his C2S… and his
60-130 time went from 9.5 to 7.1,
1/4 mile time from 11.3 @124 to 10.6 @128ish, and 0-60 from 3.1 to 2.8 (with 1ft rollout).
I believe it! I've my fair share of experience with ecu tunes. The M-Engineering guys are truly special. Their communication and responsiveness is bar none. And honestly every tune comes with a little downside or at least annoyance like some jerkiness at a certain rpm, transmission issues, CELs, etc etc. But so far - I haven't found anything negative about this tune. Even my service advisor said he has no problem with that tune. Almost too good to be true....
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Old 08-26-2021, 11:41 PM
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^ Wow. Really? Communication and responsiveness is bar none?
Huh.
First off, the title of this thread is “992 Carrera OBD Flashing”, it needs to be changed to “Carrera S tuning”.
ive asked several times what are the base Carrera numbers and met with crickets. Website has NOTHING.
l’ve even emailed M Engineering and no reply after 2 days.

If this is typical M Engineering customer service, then I’ll continue to wait for APR’s offering.
<end rant>
Old 08-26-2021, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HashTag
Alright ... flashed and tested! The whole process of flashing took less than 6 minutes. After the flash the car threw all kinds of errors which could all be deleted using the M-Tuner software. They did not come back. The idle was a little rough at first but that was to be expected. I let her idle for about 5 minutes before I took off. The tune is MUCH stronger than the JB4 was. It is however "civilized" - I guess I expected some more violence from 545WHP (normal mode). At WOT in sport mode there's definitely way more excitement going on. The best part is however the improved shift feel in comparison to the JB4. The PDK does not get reprogrammed but it seems like the JB4 messed with it. All-in-all I'm very happy with the tune and highly recommend it.
Great to hear! Mine should be coming tomorrow. I’ll report back my experience for the flash on a base c2
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Old 08-27-2021, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BIGWORM
It's been my experience that MPG goes up when you get a tune. Most factory tunes are on the rich side of the spectrum.

Leaner is meaner baby!
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Originally Posted by Kurac
^ Wow. Really? Communication and responsiveness is bar none?
Huh.
First off, the title of this thread is “992 Carrera OBD Flashing”, it needs to be changed to “Carrera S tuning”.
ive asked several times what are the base Carrera numbers and met with crickets. Website has NOTHING.
l’ve even emailed M Engineering and no reply after 2 days.

If this is typical M Engineering customer service, then I’ll continue to wait for APR’s offering.
<end rant>
Sorry to hear. I called a couple of times and someone picked up the phone every time and my emails were answered within an hour. I'm used to 24h response time to emails and no phone contact at all. So ... big improvement for me
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Old 08-27-2021, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by reddsektor
Thanks for the feedback HashTag! I’m definitely ordering soon.

For those that may be interested in some numbers, a local guy I know in Dallas did the M-eng tune a while back (ecu removal/bench flash) on his C2S… and his
60-130 time went from 9.5 to 7.1,
1/4 mile time from 11.3 @124 to 10.6 @128ish, and 0-60 from 3.1 to 2.8 (with 1ft rollout).
Those are good numbers. Nothing like real world stats vs dyno numbers. !/4 in the mid 10's and high 120's mph is where this car needs to be. I was hoping for a little more trap speed.


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