992 Carrera OBD Flashing
Racer
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 295
Likes: 216
From: New York
I will let the community chime in with their feedback to that statement as you're definitely looking for their feedback specifically. But it is worth mentioning again that one of the coolest aspects of M-Tuner is the ability to datalog. So if there is an issue (mechanical or otherwise) we can find it and advise next action steps towards a fix or update. 
-Charles@M
-Charles@M
I'm driving a Carrera 4. The gains are noticeable when you want it and it drives smooth when you just want to cruise around town. It's definitely a bump in power and performance but not ridiculous. Today while I was driving I had an error message about the sensors on my rear bumper and that I needed to clean them, but it went away about 10 minutes after it popped up, but it didn't repeat the next time I drove. So far, I'm happy. Loving that the process was simple because if I want to uninstall it when I take it in for service, it will take a whopping 6 minutes.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 1,087
Likes: 576
From: Austin, TX
I received the kit with the OBD dongle the day after I ordered it via UPS overnight delivery. At 1:45pm I emailed them the data they needed to create the tune and by 7pm that same day the files were in my inbox. The next day I installed the tune - it took 5:56 and went smooth. Really easy process -the directions are straightforward.
I'm driving a Carrera 4. The gains are noticeable when you want it and it drives smooth when you just want to cruise around town. It's definitely a bump in power and performance but not ridiculous. Today while I was driving I had an error message about the sensors on my rear bumper and that I needed to clean them, but it went away about 10 minutes after it popped up, but it didn't repeat the next time I drove. So far, I'm happy. Loving that the process was simple because if I want to uninstall it when I take it in for service, it will take a whopping 6 minutes.
I'm driving a Carrera 4. The gains are noticeable when you want it and it drives smooth when you just want to cruise around town. It's definitely a bump in power and performance but not ridiculous. Today while I was driving I had an error message about the sensors on my rear bumper and that I needed to clean them, but it went away about 10 minutes after it popped up, but it didn't repeat the next time I drove. So far, I'm happy. Loving that the process was simple because if I want to uninstall it when I take it in for service, it will take a whopping 6 minutes.
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,784
Likes: 642
From: Greenwich, CT
M Engineering and Mitch the owner are probably the best tuners in the US. With most cars there are multiple tuners who are all similar but with the 992 platform it seems as if M Engineering wanted to go and get the market. I am happy they succeeded. They have data logging, at home flashing, multiple tunes for various octanes.. Other tuners should take note, this is how its done. Well Done M Engineering.
Racer
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 340
Likes: 326
From: Dallas, TX
Not to gloat but keeping with or my case passing a mclaren 720 and Ferrari 458 at highway speeds at WOT is enjoyable
i just wrapped up a rally and the only car that out paced me was a 1700 hp Nissan GTR
edit: Mclarens had to keep stopping for fuel every 100 miles
i just wrapped up a rally and the only car that out paced me was a 1700 hp Nissan GTR
edit: Mclarens had to keep stopping for fuel every 100 miles
Last edited by 4 Rings; Oct 17, 2021 at 10:38 AM.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 509
Likes: 350
Perhaps a dumb question since I've never tuned my car before - if I tune back to stock (say, to sell the car), can I re-sell the license for the tune to someone else? Or is it a "one and done" consumable?
Rennlist Member
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 1,959
Likes: 2,031
From: Ohio
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
Rennlist Stories
The Best Porsche Posts for Porsche Enthusiasts
Every Era of 911 Owner Explained in One Sentence
Verdad Gallardo
Thinking of Buying a Porsche? Do These 10 Things First
Joe Kucinski
Pixar Pals Turned Into 1-of-1 Porsches!
Michael S. Palmer
Theon Goes Full Carbon Fiber With Stunning New Build
Verdad Gallardo
Genius Porsche-Themed Gifts That'll Make Any Dad or Grad Smile
Joe Kucinski
10 Used Porsches Are Selling for Way Too Cheap
Joe Kucinski
Tuner Is Converting Porsche 911s Into Shooting Brakes
Verdad Gallardo
This Coachbuilt Creation Is A Modern Take on the Legendary Porsche 917
Verdad Gallardo
Is This Convertible Cayenne A Steal, Or A Returnless Investment?
Verdad Gallardo
Thread Starter
Platinum Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,399
Likes: 2,364
From: SoCal / AZ / South FL
I own both a 992 and a 720s, + a few other fun cars cars (I have had a 458 - I am sure you are running with that). I am sure your tune is huge by stock comparison, and I look forward to getting one on my newly ordered Targa (just sold my 992 C4S). But if you are running with a 720 HP to the wheels (my 720s dynoed just below that at the wheels) - I would be very impressed. You may think you are running with a 720, but honestly you are not even close. Also, I have extensive miles and time (over 2.5 year) in my 720, and I am also not stopping at 100 miles to refuel... It is more like 150 :-)
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
-Charles@M
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 1,733
Likes: 981
From: Central Florida
I own both a 992 and a 720s, + a few other fun cars cars (I have had a 458 - I am sure you are running with that). I am sure your tune is huge by stock comparison, and I look forward to getting one on my newly ordered Targa (just sold my 992 C4S). But if you are running with a 720 HP to the wheels (my 720s dynoed just below that at the wheels) - I would be very impressed. You may think you are running with a 720, but honestly you are not even close. Also, I have extensive miles and time (over 2.5 year) in my 720, and I am also not stopping at 100 miles to refuel... It is more like 150 :-)
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
Racer
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 471
Likes: 203
From: Pittsburgh Dad
What I honestly struggle with most is the price point to be frank. Not saying M-Engineering isn't a great newish vendor, it sure sounds like it, and I'm seriously considering their tune for my 992, but I think its also fair to point out there are other, much longer term tuners out there, such as FVD and GIAC, at much lower price points as well. Heck, LitchField motors tune costs almost half!
I get it though...its inconvenient to pull the ECU. No disagreements here! But - well, it is and it isn't. what I mean is that some, perhaps many luxury car owners have more than enough vehicles, so I say so what....let my Pcar sit for a few extra days until I plug the ECU back in from bench flashing.
Anyway, if it helps anyone else out I can personally attest to FVDs quality, having gone to them on two prior Porsches, spanning over decade of (tuned) ownership. Not a single issue with either tune, tech support was also very good. Both tunes where through the OBD by the way (MyGenius tool), I know they are working on getting OBD functionality too. FWIW - Cobb also sounds like they are not far behind as well with the OBD, and their prices will also be lower than M-Engineering...just saying guys....
In the end I get that M-Engineering is first to market, and there is certainly, and very respectfully, something to say for that, but $2500 for a nearly base model S tune.....IDK guys @ M, as you point out Charles most of us are are not McLaren owners (no offense taken, lol) so cut us a little more slack then since we know FVD (and perhaps other vendors) will provide Rennlisters with a reasonable discount and/or more palatable price point for non-dyno tuning.
http://www.litchfieldmotors.com/pors...e-992-carreras
http://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD99261820...nd-in-ecu.html
http://www.giacusa.com/supported_pro...ne=3.0%20Turbo
I get it though...its inconvenient to pull the ECU. No disagreements here! But - well, it is and it isn't. what I mean is that some, perhaps many luxury car owners have more than enough vehicles, so I say so what....let my Pcar sit for a few extra days until I plug the ECU back in from bench flashing.
Anyway, if it helps anyone else out I can personally attest to FVDs quality, having gone to them on two prior Porsches, spanning over decade of (tuned) ownership. Not a single issue with either tune, tech support was also very good. Both tunes where through the OBD by the way (MyGenius tool), I know they are working on getting OBD functionality too. FWIW - Cobb also sounds like they are not far behind as well with the OBD, and their prices will also be lower than M-Engineering...just saying guys....
In the end I get that M-Engineering is first to market, and there is certainly, and very respectfully, something to say for that, but $2500 for a nearly base model S tune.....IDK guys @ M, as you point out Charles most of us are are not McLaren owners (no offense taken, lol) so cut us a little more slack then since we know FVD (and perhaps other vendors) will provide Rennlisters with a reasonable discount and/or more palatable price point for non-dyno tuning.
http://www.litchfieldmotors.com/pors...e-992-carreras
http://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD99261820...nd-in-ecu.html
http://www.giacusa.com/supported_pro...ne=3.0%20Turbo
Last edited by westsiderkg; Oct 19, 2021 at 05:19 PM.
Racer
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 271
Likes: 218
I own both a 992 and a 720s, + a few other fun cars cars (I have had a 458 - I am sure you are running with that). I am sure your tune is huge by stock comparison, and I look forward to getting one on my newly ordered Targa (just sold my 992 C4S). But if you are running with a 720 HP to the wheels (my 720s dynoed just below that at the wheels) - I would be very impressed. You may think you are running with a 720, but honestly you are not even close. Also, I have extensive miles and time (over 2.5 year) in my 720, and I am also not stopping at 100 miles to refuel... It is more like 150 :-)
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
We have posted some times we have run on a stock 720s with street tires on McLaren Life - most of us have broken below 10s 1/4. There is no way you are running that outside a Turbo S (they usually don't either). Trust me I am all in on my Porsches, I have had many and love them... and always have one in my stable.. But they are not going to out run a 720 with that tune.
Honestly there is not much keeping up with the 720s, with the right driver. But I am sure your tuned 992 is improved, no doubt.. and at 1/2 or less of the price. Still impressive, but let's not get carried away with blowing everything out of the water.
Last edited by but did you die; Oct 19, 2021 at 04:58 PM.
Thread Starter
Platinum Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,399
Likes: 2,364
From: SoCal / AZ / South FL
What I honestly struggle with most is the price point to be frank. Not saying M-Engineering isn't a great newish vendor, it sure sounds like it, and I'm seriously considering their tune for my 992, but I think its also fair to point out there are other, much longer term tuners out there, such as FVD and GIAC, at much lower price points as well. Heck, LitchField motors tune costs almost half!
I get it though...its inconvenient to pull the ECU. No disagreements here! But - well, it is and it isn't. what I mean is that some, perhaps many luxury car owners have more than enough vehicles, so I say so what....let my Pcar sit for a few extra days until I plug the ECU back in.
Anyway, if it helps anyone else out I can personally attest to FVDs quality, having gone to them on two prior Porsches, spanning over decade of (tuned) ownership. Not a single issue with either tune, tech support was also very good. Both tunes where through the OBD by the way (MyGenius tool), I know they are working on getting OBD functionality too. FWIW - Cobb also sounds like they are also not far behind as well with the OBD, and their prices will also be lower than M-Engineering...just saying guys....
In the end I get that M-Engineering is first to market, and there is certainly, and very respectfully, something to say for that, but $2500 for a nearly base model S tune.....IDK guys @ M, as you point out Charles most of us are are not McLaren owners (no offense taken, lol) so cut us a little more slack then since we know FVD will provide Rennlisters with a reasonable discount.
http://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD99261820...nd-in-ecu.html
www.giacusa.com/supported_products.php?make=Porsche&model_id_1=507&engine=3.0%20Turbo
https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/porsche/porsche-992-carreras/
I get it though...its inconvenient to pull the ECU. No disagreements here! But - well, it is and it isn't. what I mean is that some, perhaps many luxury car owners have more than enough vehicles, so I say so what....let my Pcar sit for a few extra days until I plug the ECU back in.
Anyway, if it helps anyone else out I can personally attest to FVDs quality, having gone to them on two prior Porsches, spanning over decade of (tuned) ownership. Not a single issue with either tune, tech support was also very good. Both tunes where through the OBD by the way (MyGenius tool), I know they are working on getting OBD functionality too. FWIW - Cobb also sounds like they are also not far behind as well with the OBD, and their prices will also be lower than M-Engineering...just saying guys....
In the end I get that M-Engineering is first to market, and there is certainly, and very respectfully, something to say for that, but $2500 for a nearly base model S tune.....IDK guys @ M, as you point out Charles most of us are are not McLaren owners (no offense taken, lol) so cut us a little more slack then since we know FVD will provide Rennlisters with a reasonable discount.
http://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD99261820...nd-in-ecu.html
www.giacusa.com/supported_products.php?make=Porsche&model_id_1=507&engine=3.0%20Turbo
https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/porsche/porsche-992-carreras/
Our calibrations for the 9x2 platform, whether it is the Carrera, Turbo, or 718 4.0L model cars are all industry leading. You will not find a more comprehensive, safe, reliable, and powerful calibration on the market, not to mention extreme ease of use for flashing protocols. For this, our calibrations are priced very fair.
We welcome any Rennlist users to mention their forum membership to us and we are happy to offer 5% their M-Tuner suite.
-Charles@M
Thanks Charles!!!
Rennlist Member
Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 619
Likes: 491
From: Connecticut
The advantage is you don't have to remove your rear bumper and take the ECU out, and have the car down for several days while you ship the ECU, have it flashed, and then shipped back, and have to have it reinstalled. With M-Tuner, you just plug a cable in and in about 5 minutes the whole process is over. Anytime you need a map update or go to another stage, you don't have to do the ECU out process over and over. Additionally, you can go back to true stock undetected and unmodified when you uninstall, any counters or CVN/CALID won't be changed.
The manual transmission can take the increased power and torque without any slippage or issues. If you are having clutch wear issues, check your driving style :P
-Charles@M
The manual transmission can take the increased power and torque without any slippage or issues. If you are having clutch wear issues, check your driving style :P
-Charles@M
- PSE VALVE OPERATION TO 100% OPEN or CLOSED (not variable on rpm levels like the stock (992 )
- COLD START TIMING
- REV LIMITER
- TURN OFF AUTO-START/STOP
^ In order of most desired...
