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I'm sure you won't know if you don't have it. Like others with more experience than me have said that it doesn't make a huge difference. For me, it was a must have as I stated since it's a performance option that's not available on the base. And since many here believe in the "ethos of the T", then it makes sense for them to chose that option. Of course there is the lightweight argument against it as well as a 'purist' driving machine. However, I fail to see that argument when there are so many other nannies already on it (PTV, PASM, etc.). For me it's simple. The T is more about allowing to get a bunch of things that aren't available on the base (7MT and RAS amongst others).
Edit: And I found it immensely helpful in tight streets for U-turns.
I'm with you on getting RAS because it's a performance option not available on the base. Ethos and all. Oh, and it's also standard on GT3's so performance must outweigh weight in Porsche's eyes.
Originally Posted by renn.tp
Fun topic we covered once already, but here’s my latest thinking…
My friend had the same idea, but MR T was taken, so he thought about this:
Looks like there is a boat leaving out of Emden on Friday 3/3. Who's on it? My T is supposed to be there with a 3/24 arrival date in Jacksonville, FL. Talk about the slow boat to China!
Mine was scheduled to enter Emden on the 3rd but I just found out mine is now complete which is four days early… how often do boats leave I wonder!! 😀
1. Lightweight
2. Purist 911 driving experience
3. Base is best value, you don’t need a bunch of extra stuff to enjoy the 911.
RAS does nothing for any of these. RAS adds weight. RAS alters the traditional 911 driving experience. RAS is an extra cost with marginal additional complications and maintenance.
Whereas Porsche has included the differential and the suspension as necessary for the driving experience by adding it standard (and of course pricing it in), they left out RAS, and that is despite adding the lightweight battery that typically accompanies it.
RAS gives better performance but so does PDK and I don’t see anyone arguing that PDK should be selected for the T since it’s standard on the GT3RS and GT4RS.
Just wanted to provide an opposing opinion from someone who left RAS out. I’m all for everyone getting what they want and developing their own “ethos” or not caring about ethos at all.
1. Lightweight
2. Purist 911 driving experience
3. Base is best value, you don’t need a bunch of extra stuff to enjoy the 911.
RAS does nothing for any of these. RAS adds weight. RAS alters the traditional 911 driving experience. RAS is an extra cost with marginal additional complications and maintenance.
Whereas Porsche has included the differential and the suspension as necessary for the driving experience by adding it standard (and of course pricing it in), they left out RAS, and that is despite adding the lightweight battery that typically accompanies it.
RAS gives better performance but so does PDK and I don’t see anyone arguing that PDK should be selected for the T since it’s standard on the GT3RS and GT4RS.
Just wanted to provide an opposing opinion from someone who left RAS out. I’m all for everyone getting what they want and developing their own “ethos” or not caring about ethos at all.
@Colt_45 I really appreciate your points, I often forget this and get carried away with a myriad of options. I just picked up my 992 Targa 4 GTS and this was definitely done more with a comfort lean in mind. I am really intrigued with the T and already thinking about it!
Separately, I would want to spec the T with lightweight buckets. I know the shortage is causing the seats to be unavailable. Just hoping it will be back on the configurator soon!
Lastly, can anyone comment on the shifter feel? I know the GTS has the same setup / size. How does it feel compared to say a GT4, if anyone has experienced both?
Good post. But you will definitely notice the difference. You can say add it because it’s an option. You can also say leave it because it’s only adding more electronical stuff a purist driver will not need. Unless you specifically want that car to go on rails (like on the track). Then order it. I wanted a more free loose end and therefore hated RAS.
I was trying to help him not feel too bad about not ordering it. . I think, definitely, if you want the rear to kick out a bit and have more of a rear wheel drive/engine experience that is more raw then it makes sense to bypass RAS. RAS is more if you want it on rails and in my opinion, it's a nanny (in a good way) that helps the rear engine car feel more like a mid engine one. Having said that, for me I could go either way, but prefer to have it. I try not to fishtail around while mountain carving. I leave that for the sim.
1. Lightweight
2. Purist 911 driving experience
3. Base is best value, you don’t need a bunch of extra stuff to enjoy the 911.
RAS does nothing for any of these. RAS adds weight. RAS alters the traditional 911 driving experience. RAS is an extra cost with marginal additional complications and maintenance.
Whereas Porsche has included the differential and the suspension as necessary for the driving experience by adding it standard (and of course pricing it in), they left out RAS, and that is despite adding the lightweight battery that typically accompanies it.
RAS gives better performance but so does PDK and I don’t see anyone arguing that PDK should be selected for the T since it’s standard on the GT3RS and GT4RS.
Just wanted to provide an opposing opinion from someone who left RAS out. I’m all for everyone getting what they want and developing their own “ethos” or not caring about ethos at all.
Don't disagree except that almost every feature/tech/body change that Porsche has added/changed over the years can be argued alters the 'traditional 911 driving experience'. I don't see anyone ripping out PTV and PASM. For that matter it would make more sense to go to the base model. PDK being the only thing going against it. Going back to the G model, there have been so many changes made and technology added that this is kind of a very subjective point. I know RAS polarizes folks in here and there are plenty of opinions for either. Having driven both, I'll go with RAS. And that's just for the way I drive.
Don't disagree except that almost every feature/tech/body change that Porsche has added/changed over the years can be argued alters the 'traditional 911 driving experience'. I don't see anyone ripping out PTV and PASM. For that matter it would make more sense to go to the base model. PDK being the only thing going against it. Going back to the G model, there have been so many changes made and technology added that this is kind of a very subjective point. I know RAS polarizes folks in here and there are plenty of opinions for either. Having driven both, I'll go with RAS. And that's just for the way I drive.
If you ignore their fancy acronyms, PTV and PASM are essentially just a limited slip diff and and a tighter sports suspension. Those have existed on 911s since what, the 70s? Earlier? And many would argue they are requirements on a RWD sports car unlike RAS.
But yes, I agree there is new technology involved for both PTV/PASM and many other features on the car which arguably cross the “ethos”. To each their own.
Not the best person to be giving an opinion on the car, since he has never driven a Base or an S... but at least its some more visual stimulation for those of us eagerly awaiting the Car!
Not the best person to be giving an opinion on the car, since he has never driven a Base or an S... but at least its some more visual stimulation for those of us eagerly awaiting the Car!
Not to mention he prefers the Corolla on that road.
Hi
Is the Center Console for Standard T different from Base? See below picture. Does T have the "carbon fiber" (red circled area) together with gloss black or is all of it just gloss black? Db Carbon sells some CF stuff for gloss black but it's apparently a long wait so wanted to order in advance. Just not sure about the interior yet and can't figure it out from online configurator.
02-28-2023, 10:24 AM
