RatherJaded

The pre-owned market has definitely softened and it does not appear to be exclusive to any marque nor model. It is a buyers market.

BTW, the Guards Red T that was listed on BaT closed late last week. RNM.

BaT link: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...1-carrera-t-2/

Wilder

That's @Targa32 's car if I'm not mistaken.

From the auction:

"I love this model, and I’m sorry to see it didn’t go. Dealers aren’t helping the market here. I literally had a dealer in CA put me on the list wanting $15-20K over in November. Called back a month later, offering $10K over. Last month, $5K over. Waiting for the call at MSRP."

Definitely seems like the party is wrapping up in the car market. I'm more interested in the stock market.

RatherJaded

Correct.


Re ADM/MSRP. Our local dealer has not had an ADM on any model during this entire debacle. One of the very few within the country. I believe their only stipulation was the purchaser(s) must reside within our state.

ECNJ

There’s no place like home….

6sigma

I actually don't think that is all that unusual outside of the coastal and big city markets. I think a lot of the flyover state smaller market dealers do this for local area buyers. At least for non RS product. The hard part remains getting an actual allocation.

Icegrill

I’d guess it has more to do with the red inserts than anything else. The Kia soul ethos only has a limited following.

RatherJaded

Agreed… I think it might be a little much. The sunroof kills it for me as well. If I had to have a sunroof it would have to be the glass version.

Multimodal

I don't think a sunroof really matters for a 2023 car, or any car with Sport seats. The only place it's odd is when you spend the money on Full Bucket Seats. But I have Full Bucket Seats and a glass sunroof in a 991.2 T, and I like the combo.

jonbek

Market is wild, cars are sitting, prices are coming down, on one hand some dealers seem cognizant of it, others don't. Private sellers seem more aware of market.

Rich_911T

funny I used to have same exact however i ended up getting the body colored sunroof and it may be one of my favorite options

vincenz0

So, everyone I've met who owns a 911T has generally been a pretty serious driving enthusiast and that's probably why they choose this particular model. Lighter weight, manual transmission standard, etc.

But Porsche says the 911 S/T is the ultimate driver's 911 -- or at least their marketing department does. This prompted me to put together this video, which I'm sure will get a lot of hate, saying that maybe the 911T (as well as some other 911 variations) is a better and more accessible option. Probably preaching to the choir here but feel free to tell me I'm wrong!

ECNJ

Assuming you’re trading in ur S for MT T soon. Based on your “silly wing” comment, I guess u won’t be adding the factory aerokit wing, ha. Post pics of your T when u get it…. I freakin love my T!

Alex.In.M0tion

Good points. At that price + markup it’s very unlikely that these cars will be driven by enthusiasts. Maybe in some rare cases.

vincenz0

Honestly, I've even thought about disabling my OEM pop up spoiler. I just really like the classic 911 shape.

My S is good, sometimes I wish I had bought a manual but the PDK is impressive and when I bought it I had a 1 hour (each way) commute in fairly heavy traffic.

ECNJ

I understand. I love modding cars…changed exhaust, added bass to sound and put on a body kit….except for a wing. That rear end curve & line I admit don’t want to change. I wouldn’t disable the active wing…..a lot of engineering went into the 992 aerodynamics (learned from industry insiders)…including the factory aero kit as well as some aftermarket ones (however, I’d avoid the made in China ones no matter how cheap the are….). As long as well designed/engineered…ultimately comes down to style preferences. I’ve said here in past, the aerokit wing is not my style but I get why some love it….

Assuming you’re still in Burlingame? I kind of get your driving in traffic comment….BUT, I’d only get a stick sports car.

Lastly….again, post pics of ur T when u trade in your S for it!!