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Greame 's T, Thanks for your kind thoughts was done at the dealers overnight and they had 16 cars delivered yesterday.
Six cars had their Matrix lights ripped out and stolen,
Not a nice day for the principal calling around with this news so I do symphonise.
Will keep you posted tomorrow.
Best, Devon.
so now we need to order the overpriced bracket from obsessed garage and maybe this is an opportunity to repaint this wall as I really wanted this wall to go black.
Your garage walls and floor need some OG love indeed! You got the room so use it. I am jealous at people having nice garages. My car is always parked outside.
Originally Posted by HerrDr
As an engineer, I'm genuinely curious. My own subjective opinion is, hell yeah--that looks awesome! But wondering how that might affect it as sometimes the fastest and most efficient shape and position isn't the most flattering.
Have always wondered the same thing. However Porsche always is on the safe side with their allignments. The car needs to be for Scott tracking it and aunt Jenny driving it to the shops everyday. I changed the camber of the car making it much much better than Porsche standard offers. So from that moment I knew it’s not always a bad thing to change things.
Have always wondered the same thing. However Porsche always is on the safe side with their allignments. The car needs to be for Scott tracking it and aunt Jenny driving it to the shops everyday. I changed the camber of the car making it much much better than Porsche standard offers. So from that moment I knew it’s not always a bad thing to change things.
Originally Posted by AdamIsAdam
Yes, it likely affects things a bit. Plus there's also those pesky laws that engineers must worry about, things like how far a tire can stick out from the fenders in every state. Ok, so this is not a `69 GTO Judge with air shocks in the back that we're talking about, but you get the idea. Every country, even some states, have laws that screw up perfectly good engineering. Just look at the antiquated headlight laws in the US for example.
But back to your question: will it negatively (or even positively) impact performance (like brake cooling or overall handling) to widen and lower wheel/tire position? Maybe. It also may improve handling but only hurt MPG, which is another set of regulations that must be factored into everythinbg. And I don't know about you, but I don't give a poop about MPG on my toys.
Both good points. Appreciate the thoughts. Wasn't considering regulations, but that's got to be a huge pain to produce something that keeps in line with hundreds of different regulatory bodies. Regarding MPG, the T will likely be my most efficient vehicle in years Heck, my Macan S gets better fuel economy than my 996 did all the while weighing 500 kilos more! Always some give and take.
a nice watch will fix this issue . V-neck , jeans and a nice watch is my outfit of choice
I had a choice Rolex Daytonna or down payment on a new 911 T I get noticed better with the 911 . I’ll just wear my Apple Watch besides much more useful .
@tourenwagen , since you have such a beautiful wheel setup that has probably caught the envy of everyone here (including myself!)
For those that like to add wheel spacers: have you considered how this might affect the aerodynamics of the car? Porsche engineers spend countless hours in the wind tunnels at Zuffenhausen/Weissach fine-tuning every little detail with respect to how air moves around the side of the car. How it moves over, around, and alongside the wheel and tire. How it moves through the brakes for a balance of cooling and efficiency.
As an engineer, I'm genuinely curious. My own subjective opinion is, hell yeah--that looks awesome! But wondering how that might affect it as sometimes the fastest and most efficient shape and position isn't the most flattering.
If you look at the position of the wheels on a GT3 and the 3RS, they are placed with the equivalent of very aggressive offset. I don't think it's an issue. Most aero issues are on the top of the car, not its sides and most certainly not on the lower side of the wheels.
Lucky enough to secure a T allocation recently. Enjoying the process of figuring out my build and wanted to tap on the collective wisdom of this wonderful group. Originally was set on MT as all sports cars I had were MT, but spouse wants the PDK so that's likely what I'll go with. Test drove a base PDK and was pleasantly surprised by how good it is, so I'm happy either way. Even though I am planning to keep the car for a long time, was curious if having PDK in a T would negatively affect the desirability when it comes time to sell as I'm seeing almost everyone here is speccing MT and 80% of the T's I saw at dealers were MT. Additionally, if I do end up going with PDK, would it make sense to spec ventilated seats to get leather seat center just so it will also appeal to otherwise non-T buyers as Sport-Tex doesn't seem to be common outside of T?
Last edited by Blue Bread; 07-20-2023 at 09:20 PM.
If you look at the position of the wheels on a GT3 and the 3RS, they are placed with the equivalent of very aggressive offset. I don't think it's an issue. Most aero issues are on the top of the car, not its sides and most certainly not on the lower side of the wheels.
Additionally, I just feel like these “engineers know best” conversations ignore a huge elephant in the room; engineers are forced to compromise ideals for the sake of cost, regulations, product integrity, warranty, and or xyz. Respect engineering? Heck yes. Blindly assume the product on the floor is the idealised vision and perfected to the nth degree? No. It’s your car, use common sense, seek happiness.
Lucky enough to secure a T allocation recently. Enjoying the process of figuring out my build and wanted to tap on the collective wisdom of this wonderful group. Originally was set on MT as all sports cars I had were MT, but spouse wants the PDK so that's likely what I'll go with. Test drove a base PDK and was pleasantly surprised by how good it is, so I'm happy either way. Even though I am planning to keep the car for a long time, was curious if having PDK in a T would negatively affect the desirability when it comes time to sell as I'm seeing almost everyone here is speccing MT and 80% of the T's I saw at dealers were MT. Additionally, if I do end up going with PDK, would it make sense to spec ventilated seats to get leather seat center just so it will also appeal to otherwise non-T buyers as Sport-Tex doesn't seem to be common outside of T?
Hey, well it sounds like you should start shopping for a new spouse to complement your awesome future T with Manual Transmission.
Jokes aside, if the spouse wants PDK, then PDK you should get, even if you loose a little bit more money with it over MT. But, maybe not. If you are going to keep the car for a long time, when you do go to sell it, who knows, maybe PDK will be preferred.
Regarding full leather, personally, I’m a big fan of the look of the standard non leather seat centers. The slight deviation of color with that dark tint looks really nice with other dark interior trim elements that come standard with the T. If you do go with full leather, then spend the money and get deviated stitching.
Lucky enough to secure a T allocation recently. Enjoying the process of figuring out my build and wanted to tap on the collective wisdom of this wonderful group. Originally was set on MT as all sports cars I had were MT, but spouse wants the PDK so that's likely what I'll go with. Test drove a base PDK and was pleasantly surprised by how good it is, so I'm happy either way. Even though I am planning to keep the car for a long time, was curious if having PDK in a T would negatively affect the desirability when it comes time to sell as I'm seeing almost everyone here is speccing MT and 80% of the T's I saw at dealers were MT. Additionally, if I do end up going with PDK, would it make sense to spec ventilated seats to get leather seat center just so it will also appeal to otherwise non-T buyers as Sport-Tex doesn't seem to be common outside of T?
1. Never buy a car for the next guy.
2. PDK on a T makes me sad.
Originally Posted by jonbek
Additionally, I just feel like these “engineers know best” conversations ignore a huge elephant in the room; engineers are forced to compromise ideals for the sake of cost, regulations, product integrity, warranty, and or xyz. Respect engineering? Heck yes. Blindly assume the product on the floor is the idealised vision and perfected to the nth degree? No. It’s your car, use common sense, seek happiness.
Completely agree. Moving the wheel out 15mm is not going to make a massive difference.
Lucky enough to secure a T allocation recently. Enjoying the process of figuring out my build and wanted to tap on the collective wisdom of this wonderful group. Originally was set on MT as all sports cars I had were MT, but spouse wants the PDK so that's likely what I'll go with. Test drove a base PDK and was pleasantly surprised by how good it is, so I'm happy either way. Even though I am planning to keep the car for a long time, was curious if having PDK in a T would negatively affect the desirability when it comes time to sell as I'm seeing almost everyone here is speccing MT and 80% of the T's I saw at dealers were MT. Additionally, if I do end up going with PDK, would it make sense to spec ventilated seats to get leather seat center just so it will also appeal to otherwise non-T buyers as Sport-Tex doesn't seem to be common outside of T?
If its advice you’re after, I’d sue for divorce on the grounds of cruelty.
If your Mrs is insisting on PDK when it’s plainly obvious you want MT, in any decent lawyers speak that is sadism.
Let me know if you require a good divorce lawyer.
My older brother (an industry guy) would always say….man, when it’s sunny outside u wanna talk styling, body kits, rims, etc. Only when it’s gloomy u wanna talk/learn about auto engineering.
Today, I was looking at my 959 mini model he gave me like 25 years ago. Reminded me of many lessons he gave me on turbocharging cars over the years. It’s gloomy/rainy today so I’ll share a bit on turbos. Turbo systems (yes not just turbos but systems including intercoolers, catalytic converters. etc.) are complex with loads of engineering involved. Porsche is the pioneer starting with a single turbo 930 in the ‘70s. Biggest issue with it was turbo lag. Then in the 80’s Porsha used sequential twin turbos on the 959. This is a very special historic Porsha. It developed 450HPs with a 2.8L engine! Theoretically, the sequential twins should have eliminated turbo lag but not exactly the case. The Japanese did similar with their 90s sports cars. I previously owned 2 of the most famous sequential twin turbo Japanese cars including the 300zx and Supra. My recollection is they had some lag, but not significant. Huge step forward. Porsha in the 90s decided to go with parallel turbos on the 911. One turbo for each cylinder bank along with larger displacement 3.6L motor Minimized lag more going parallel to the point of minimal lag. I don’t feel much on my T at all. So, they’ve stuck with this including for the current 992 turbo S. It additionally has what they term VTG….more engineering. And amazingly today u have a 3.7L twin turbo 911 producing 640 HP! How can u not love and respect Porsha engineering?!
I had a '98 Volvo Turbo Wagon T5, 5spd manual. One cool brick. Rumors were that the 5 cylinder turbo was designed by Porsche. That FWD Wagon had so much turbo lag, coupled with the FWD massive torque street, that when the turbo spooled up you better have both hands on the wheel just trying to keep the car between the lines!
Yup, very different turbo driving experience with the T.
07-20-2023, 06:45 PM
Heck, my Macan S gets better fuel economy than my 996 did all the while weighing 500 kilos more! Always some give and take.
