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Old 08-27-2021, 11:07 AM
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What exactly is a particulate filter and what's its significance?
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Originally Posted by detansinn
Nonsense. Most people like it. It’s distinct. It’s not controversial. It clearly hasn’t hurt demand for the car.

996 prices have shot up despite the headlights being universally panned by everyone....
Using your own logic against you.

If the 996 headlights were so "universally panned by everyone" how did Porsche manage to sell so many 996s? In fact far more than any other previous 911 generation? Many folks thought the 964 was ugly and never be valuable, what are they saying now?

Addressing the broader question. Yes, the third brake light will have zero impact on future valves of the 992.1.
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Originally Posted by SRD1281
What exactly is a particulate filter and what's its significance?
The particulate filter in question is in the exhaust system. It captures small particulates that are known to be unhealthy. The 992s sold in North America do not have them, but all 992s sold in Europe do have the filters. Not sure about the rest of the world.
Old 08-27-2021, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SRD1281
What exactly is a particulate filter and what's its significance?
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
The particulate filter in question is in the exhaust system. It captures small particulates that are known to be unhealthy. The 992s sold in North America do not have them, but all 992s sold in Europe do have the filters. Not sure about the rest of the world.
I think for most people the real significance of the GPF is the effect on the exhaust note of the car.
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Personally, I hope that the 992.2 is a hybrid.

That will make our car more special. The last purely ICE 911 ever made.

I think electrification will forever change this car, perhaps even more than water cooling ever did
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The 992.2 has been canceled until further notice
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The 992.2 has been canceled until further notice
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Originally Posted by detansinn
Nonsense. Most people like it. It’s distinct. It’s not controversial. It clearly hasn’t hurt demand for the car.

996 prices have shot up despite the headlights being universally panned by everyone. There will no impact to resale here.

The potential change most likely to result in a difference in resale between 992.1 and 992.2 cars will be the introduction of GPF (particulate filters) in the United States.
I’m not sure that “most people” like it. It would be interesting to poll “most people” about this, but I don’t think anyone has bothered to do that yet (as far as I’ve seen). I suspect that many people are just currently “accepting” the 3rd light design because the vehicle has so many other perceived improvements over the previous model. However, fast forward a decade or two after it has been redesigned and you have several generations to choose from… would it still be acceptable? Personally, I’m not sure.

The rise in 996 prices is just due to the shortage of new cars due to COVID. All used car prices have shot up because of this. Most base model 996 Carreras are still only approx $25-30k. They’ll fall back down once the shortage is over (projected to be in 2022). That’s a good example of a catastrophic light design!

I agree about the GPF. That’s another concern. However, that’s probably a matter of taste too… Some people will think it sounds fine and others won’t. Actually, all of these things (design changes, sound, etc) come down to a matter of taste. When it becomes a problem for resale is when a large percentage of the buyers don’t like it.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
Using your own logic against you.

If the 996 headlights were so "universally panned by everyone" how did Porsche manage to sell so many 996s? In fact far more than any other previous 911 generation? Many folks thought the 964 was ugly and never be valuable, what are they saying now?

Addressing the broader question. Yes, the third brake light will have zero impact on future valves of the 992.1.
They sold so many 996’s because it did have many other improvements over the previous generations. It was the “latest and greatest”, so people just accepted it at the time. I bet most people leased them too, so they weren’t thinking long-term. However, the resale market after 20 years is different. When you have decades of different designs to choose from, would you choose the one with the ugly head lights?
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Originally Posted by 3rdpedal
I doubt it. That is a matter of taste. A lot of people like the design. I think black wheels will age a lot worse. Oh wait, that’s also a matter of taste as well.
Black wheels are pretty easy to swap, but there are currently no 3rd brake light replacement kits. However, if one existed, I’d jump on it.

I actually thought about it, and doesn’t look like it wouldn’t be too difficult to design/build a replacement engine cover with a less objectionable 3rd brake light.

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Originally Posted by detansinn
Given the environment and incredible demand, I wouldn’t expect a 992.2 anytime soon. The pandemic has been interesting in terms of its impact to the product refresh cycle. New 992s are being delivered with one keyfob and manual steering adjustments. Heck, the Macan got a surprise .3 refresh.
Wasn’t that last Macan refresh technically the new model? I know it looks like the previous one, but I think it’s actually the new model.

It’s kinda funny actually… When manufacturers change things, people freak out. When they don’t change things, people complain that it hasn’t changed enough. You’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t 😂
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
PAG actually spent quite a bit design element time in the 3rd brake light -- i.e., how it represents 9 and "||".

I don't think a simple mid-cycle refresh will do away with one of the defining design cues of the 992 generation.
Yeah, they probably spent a lot of energy designing the 996’s horrible headlights too. That doesn’t make it good. Honestly, I don’t care about the “11” representation. I think they tried to get a little too “clever”, and ended up adding a design element that isn’t going to age well.


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