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Yup. I'm guessing hybrid but not plug-in hybrid. They'll fit a small motor into the PDK where they designed for it, give it a couple kwh of lithium batteries (sub 100lbs) and use it for torque fill and economy purposes. I'd expect this will be a 992.2 base engine hybrid that roughly lines up with the S after electric boost, and also in the Turbo S where weight isn't as big of a deal.
That actually could be quite nice. Reduce turbo lag with electric motor and put more weight towards center.
996.1 was 99-01. 996.2 was 02-05. 997.1 was 05-08. 997.2 was 09-12. 991.1 was 12-16. 991.2 was 17-19. 992.1 is likely 20-23. 992.2 will be 24-26. Generally, expect a 7-8 year run, with the first 4-5 years the .1 platform and then a mid cycle refresh that carries the platform another 3-4 years to give the team 3-4 years of R&D time to prepare the next gen chassis for prime time. This is all dependent on the market and current platform sales success.
Last edited by ryandarr1979; 05-29-2021 at 09:16 AM.
Right now, there's no need to invest in a .2 refresh with demand for these cars so high. The 2022 cars are getting a new PCM -- significant update and for practical purposes, a 992.1 1/2.
The pandemic supply chain issues will prolong the 992.1 generation. Given the push to EVs, I would not be surprised if the 992 ended up being a longer living platform. Yes, a 992.3 isn't entirely out of the question given Porsche and VW's EV platform investment priorities. You're going to see less money invested in ICE platform cars and it's already happening. Example? Look no further to the engine bay of the 992 GT3 which didn't get a whole new engine for this generation.
We're already at the end of the line for ICE Cayman and Boxsters -- those cars are moving to an EV platform. The 911 isn't becoming an EV anytime soon, but almost every other Porsche will be.
Right now, there's no need to invest in a .2 refresh with demand for these cars so high. The 2022 cars are getting a new PCM -- significant update and for practical purposes, a 992.1 1/2.
The pandemic supply chain issues will prolong the 992.1 generation. Given the push to EVs, I would not be surprised if the 992 ended up being a longer living platform. Yes, a 992.3 isn't entirely out of the question given Porsche and VW's EV platform investment priorities. You're going to see less money invested in ICE platform cars and it's already happening. Example? Look no further to the engine bay of the 992 GT3 which didn't get a whole new engine for this generation.
We're already at the end of the line for ICE Cayman and Boxsters -- those cars are moving to an EV platform. The 911 isn't becoming an EV anytime soon, but almost every other Porsche will be.
Let's see how well those EV versions sell. Especially the first versions of them - because the battery technology is going to undergo dramatic improvements in the weight/range/charge time metrics. Porsche's have great resale value, one of the things that attracts buyers. The first EV Macan (as an example) adopters are going to look pretty foolish when a Macan 5 years from now has a battery with longer range, less weight, and much faster charge time. What is your EV Macan going to be worth in the pre-owned market in 5 years, when the new version is vastly improved? It's different with ICE powertrains, which don't see dramatic improvements in that short of time. The early adopters (unless they lease) of these first gen EVs, are going to get creamed on resale 5 years from now. Admittedly, many won't realize that, but the informed buyers are going to continue with the ICE variants until battery technology improves.
Let's see how well those EV versions sell. Especially the first versions of them - because the battery technology is going to undergo dramatic improvements in the weight/range/charge time metrics. Porsche's have great resale value, one of the things that attracts buyers. The first EV Macan (as an example) adopters are going to look pretty foolish when a Macan 5 years from now has a battery with longer range, less weight, and much faster charge time. What is your EV Macan going to be worth in the pre-owned market in 5 years, when the new version is vastly improved? It's different with ICE powertrains, which don't see dramatic improvements in that short of time. The early adopters (unless they lease) of these first gen EVs, are going to get creamed on resale 5 years from now. Admittedly, many won't realize that, but the informed buyers are going to continue with the ICE variants until battery technology improves.
Given the sales of the Taycan, there's little doubt that the EV versions will be a hit. Porsche is asking its dealer network to upgrade their dealerships to best support this growth.
EVs have much simpler mechanical systems. They don’t require oil and fluid changes. The 8 year battery warranty is becoming an EV standard. What does this mean for the future? There are a lot of unknowns around EVs and consumer habits. ICE owners tend to trade up out of fear of escalating maintenance costs and dated infotainment. EVs don't have the maintenance issues and OTA software updates keep things fresh. So, what will drive most EV owners to upgrade? We really don’t know yet, but if Tesla ownership is any guide, it's going to be a long-term ownership experience.
Considering the highly modular nature of these EV platforms, I would not be surprised to see dealers offering battery upgrades as EV vehicles get older. As those options emerge, it's not inconceivable that miserly types may hold onto their EVs for a very long time.
Before the end of the decade, we’ll see gasoline at well over $10/gallon. In the very near future, as soon as 2-3 years, buying a brand new ICE vehicle will be an especially dumb and risky financial decision. As fuel prices climb, the values of non-enthusiast ICE vehicles will fall through the floor. If the consumer choice is filling up an F150 with over $200 gas or plugging in the F150 EV at night, the market is going to decide things pretty quickly.
We're all flying high right now on used car resale values, but as supply catches up with demand, ICE resale values will fall back to earth and increased operating costs compared to EVs will accelerate that fall.
Given the sales of the Taycan, there's little doubt that the EV versions will be a hit. Porsche is asking its dealer network to upgrade their dealerships to best support this growth.
EVs have much simpler mechanical systems. They don’t require oil and fluid changes. The 8 year battery warranty is becoming an EV standard. What does this mean for the future? There are a lot of unknowns around EVs and consumer habits. ICE owners tend to trade up out of fear of escalating maintenance costs and dated infotainment. EVs don't have the maintenance issues and OTA software updates keep things fresh. So, what will drive most EV owners to upgrade? We really don’t know yet, but if Tesla ownership is any guide, it's going to be a long-term ownership experience.
Considering the highly modular nature of these EV platforms, I would not be surprised to see dealers offering battery upgrades as EV vehicles get older. As those options emerge, it's not inconceivable that miserly types may hold onto their EVs for a very long time.
Before the end of the decade, we’ll see gasoline at well over $10/gallon. In the very near future, as soon as 2-3 years, buying a brand new ICE vehicle will be an especially dumb and risky financial decision. As fuel prices climb, the values of non-enthusiast ICE vehicles will fall through the floor. If the consumer choice is filling up an F150 with over $200 gas or plugging in the F150 EV at night, the market is going to decide things pretty quickly.
We're all flying high right now on used car resale values, but as supply catches up with demand, ICE resale values will fall back to earth and increased operating costs compared to EVs will accelerate that fall.
$10 gasoline can only come through the political system, not due to any technology issues with supply and demand. If you take the number of miles driven in the US each year, and divide that by how many kwH of electricity EVs would need to travel those miles, the US would have to commission a new electric plant every 3 weeks to meet that demand. It's not going to happen. The EV adoption rate will have a very short peak, likely peaking as long with the new $10K subsidy in place. Once the realities of large scale fleet conversion begin to hit, it will tail off rapidly. Everything looks good now because the adoption rate, number of units being purchased, is very low. Battery technology isn't there yet, needs an order of magnitude improvement, and at some point someone will realize that the generation capacity for all the electricity needed to charge them, isn't coming.
$10 gasoline can only come through the political system, not due to any technology issues with supply and demand. If you take the number of miles driven in the US each year, and divide that by how many kwH of electricity EVs would need to travel those miles, the US would have to commission a new electric plant every 3 weeks to meet that demand. It's not going to happen. The EV adoption rate will have a very short peak, likely peaking as long with the new $10K subsidy in place. Once the realities of large scale fleet conversion begin to hit, it will tail off rapidly. Everything looks good now because the adoption rate, number of units being purchased, is very low. Battery technology isn't there yet, needs an order of magnitude improvement, and at some point someone will realize that the generation capacity for all the electricity needed to charge them, isn't coming.
Meanwhile Porsche is sending me subliminal messages.
BTW, I see that you have the steering column in leather. I spec’d it on my build. Do you find that it was worth the money? Also, do you have any additional photos of it?
BTW, I see that you have the steering column in leather. I spec’d it on my build. Do you find that it was worth the money? Also, do you have any additional photos of it?
Highly subjective but I personally am a fan as otherwise the column is just a big plastic block. Here’s a pic
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