GT car thoughts with ugly/portly 992 release
11-29-2018, 04:44 PM
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I am sure some of our Roman ancestors would have sworn by how the society has gone the wrong way when comparing these sports cars to what they used to race back in the day, namely the chariots.
Everything changes with time. My only hope is that whatever weight or propulsion the next generation sports cars have, they continue to be exciting.
11-29-2018, 04:54 PM
#122
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Unfortunately, after the generation that enjoyed the “simple sports car” is gone, younger people who drive these newer cars and electrics will see them as the “simple sports cars” of their own generation. All this is relative, but unfortunate for us who have driven and tasted the simplicity you are talking about.
I am sure some of our Roman ancestors would have sworn by how the society has gone the wrong way when comparing these sports cars to what they used to race back in the day, namely the chariots.
Everything changes with time. My only hope is that whatever weight or propulsion the next generation sports cars have, they continue to be exciting.
11-29-2018, 05:47 PM
#123
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Exactly. Ask the 930 Turbo guys. That was the last real drivers car. The 964 owners will probably say the same thing about there cars. And the 993, 996, and 997 owners may say the same thing. Many people said the 991 was too modernized, and not raw enough like the 997. Now the 992 will force us to rethink that notion. And we will rethink it again when the next gen comes out. The great thing about Porsche is that you decide which of these gens hits the sweet spot for you. Then go buy it. Heck, many people here who say they will never own another GT3 (myself included) may very well rethink that decision one day. Time provides clarity.
If you are going to choose just one (and aren't limited to a brand new model), then drive a bunch of them and try to understand the context of the evolution. If nothing else, it will be fascinating (for those who love the 911).
11-29-2018, 05:58 PM
#124
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I am going to put my flame suit on but as much as I like the rawer Porsches of the past; I really do like the civility of the 991.1/.2 GT3 iteration. I find them raw but very comfortable. I guess with age the refinement is a welcome for me. I like the more compliant ride with the modern amenities. The 991 just hits the spot perfectly. The question will be at what point has it gone too far and the "soul" is no longer present?
11-29-2018, 06:04 PM
#126
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Very true, Rob! And in some ways the people who draw the line at the 901, 964, 993, 997, etc are right in a way. Having my 911's separated by 45 years is very interesting. There is no perfect 911 (that's what makes them interesting). There are definitely things that I like much more about my '73 and definitely things I like more about the '18. If you're fortunate enough to own more than one vintage, that's the way to go imo.
If you are going to choose just one (and aren't limited to a brand new model), then drive a bunch of them and try to understand the context of the evolution. If nothing else, it will be fascinating (for those who love the 911).
If you are going to choose just one (and aren't limited to a brand new model), then drive a bunch of them and try to understand the context of the evolution. If nothing else, it will be fascinating (for those who love the 911).
I came to the conclusion that none is better than the other, they are just different. One needs both. My next goal is to find a nice 80’s Carrera. Don’t care about the name plate or value, as long as it makes a grin on my face when I drive it.
11-29-2018, 06:05 PM
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While I like the 992, I looked at my unadorned white 991.1 GT3 in the garage today and felt that it's really a thing of beauty.
11-29-2018, 06:42 PM
#128
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The new 992 looks fine from outside. The gripe is that it no longer looks like it was made to wrap around the driver. Seems like another techy large sedan interior. One needs to really experience it first hand though, so let’s keep our hopes up.
11-29-2018, 06:57 PM
#129
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Very true, Rob! And in some ways the people who draw the line at the 901, 964, 993, 997, etc are right. Having my 911's separated by 45 years is very interesting. There is no perfect 911 (that's what makes them interesting). There are definitely things that I like much more about my '73 and definitely things I like more about the '18. If you're fortunate enough to own more than one vintage, that's the way to go imo.
If you are going to choose just one (and aren't limited to a brand new model), then drive a bunch of them and try to understand the context of the evolution. If nothing else, it will be fascinating (for those who love the 911).
If you are going to choose just one (and aren't limited to a brand new model), then drive a bunch of them and try to understand the context of the evolution. If nothing else, it will be fascinating (for those who love the 911).
11-29-2018, 06:58 PM
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11-29-2018, 07:11 PM
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11-29-2018, 07:16 PM
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I like the looks of the 992, it has some nice retro touches. The new Turbo S is rumored to have 650hp, that could be a real game changer, to keep up with that kind of power the GT 3 will probably have a turbo. Do you think it’s a coincidence Porsche teases us with a limited production of a modernized 935? I think it’s a hint of what’s coming around the corner, sort of a return of the 930/935. The new GT3 will be very interesting. The 930 is often thought of as the last true man’s sports car. Just something to think about over a cocktail tonight��
11-29-2018, 07:49 PM
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Alfa was able to use a prepreg CF tub in the 4C, clearly comparing themselves with McLaren.
For Porsche to announce a CF tub with the 992 GT3 would be so appropriate although a bit late to the party - again, only wishes, not announcement
For Porsche to announce a CF tub with the 992 GT3 would be so appropriate although a bit late to the party - again, only wishes, not announcement