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Then GT4 would have the lap record. But it doesn’t. 911 to date has always been THE sports car. 992 versus 718 GT has started to make that questionable.
991.2 3RS is 3,150bs
997.2 3RS was 3,020lbs
992 4S is 3,490lbs
OK - well I own both (981GTS and 991.2 GTS) and the Cayman is a better sportscar - lighter, more agile, nimbler, sharper through corners. The 911 in Carrera form has been a pass for a long time. The series 2 991 has put that to bed as long as it has RAS. A 992 911 at 3,500 lb car is not a sportscar - its a heavy weight with little in common with a lightweight sportscar. In fact the 991 was pushing it particularly in series 2 guise.
The only advantage the 911 has is marketing - most are daily drivers. Most 981/991GT cars are purchased for the badge - how can you tell, look at the proportion that are strippers with clubsport package plus front section of cage - zip all.
Take off the badge, hood crease, and change the headlight shape and you wouldn't know what it was.
Uhm.......ok so your saying change the shape of the car and it wouldn't look like a Porsche anymore? I guess if you change the shape enough you could make it look like a lotus esprit so your probably correct.
Uhm.......ok so your saying change the shape of the car and it wouldn't look like a Porsche anymore? I guess if you change the shape enough you could make it look like a lotus esprit so your probably correct.
Not the shape of the car! Ok take off badge and change headlight shape and put an Audi or Honda badge on it, nobody would know
OK - well I own both (981GTS and 991.2 GTS) and the Cayman is a better sportscar - lighter, more agile, nimbler, sharper through corners.
Yeah, I would totally disagree with this. I owned a 981S X73, 981 Spyder X73 and 991.1S SPASM/PDCC all at the same time. Hands down the best sports car, if you define that as the most capable and quickest down a curvy road or around a racetrack, was the 991.1S. The 981's feel more agile and go karty, but that's simply because the 991 is just so buttoned down and has so much grip. Corner entry and corner exit, my 991.1S was more planted and just plain quicker. Track times have proven that over and over again. One can always go watch that great comparison YouTube video that shows a base 991 spanking a 981S around a track that should favor the 981.
The Cayman may be more fun to drive, but it's not the better performing sports car. I only own the Spyder now, but my old Carrera would kill it.
no, those are track only cars that you just linked to.
that’s the exact reason porsches makes the GT cars. They are a truly race/sports car that is also street legal for the road.
The GT cars occuply this middle ground beautifully. The same ground, the air cooled 911s once occupied. That is no coincidence why Porsche started making GT cars at the same time they moved to water cooled Carreras, as the Carreras started this decline toward luxury.
modern GT cars aren’t just heavy, plush, soft grand tourers that the Carreras have become. They are a track ready car, that you can also drive to work, just like the original 911s.
I was being a bit sarcastic. lol
I would definitely not say my Carrera T is a heavy, plush soft grand tourer though. I'm also pretty sure it's track'able. Anyway, moving on. Apparently I'm not an enthusiast since I can't afford a GT.
Yeah, I would totally disagree with this. I owned a 981S X73, 981 Spyder X73 and 991.1S SPASM/PDCC all at the same time. Hands down the best sports car, if you define that as the most capable and quickest down a curvy road or around a racetrack, was the 991.1S. The 981's feel more agile and go karty, but that's simply because the 991 is just so buttoned down and has so much grip. Corner entry and corner exit, my 991.1S was more planted and just plain quicker. Track times have proven that over and over again. One can always go watch that great comparison YouTube video that shows a base 991 spanking a 981S around a track that should favor the 981.
The Cayman may be more fun to drive, but it's not the better performing sports car. I only own the Spyder now, but my old Carrera would kill it.
Much of the performance neutering has to do with the rear suspension technology and not just the weight. People cried for a long time the the cayman just needed the 911 engine... because most people simply look at a spec sheet and some 0-60 times in a magazine to determine how "fast" a car is. Look at the youtube video of a base 991.1 (3,4) vs an M4. The 911 is down a substantial amount of HP and an even more enormous amount of torque, yet the 911 is faster around the track.
The 992 is the sportscar equivalent of the "dad bod": you just have to pretend that the results of giving up are what you wanted all along and you're happy to be overweight and ugly with a little nubbin.
My biggest problem is they incorrectly named this model. It should be forever known as the 991.3! A new dash and bumpers do not make a new car, it's just called a refresh.
The 992 is the sportscar equivalent of the "dad bod": you just have to pretend that the results of giving up are what you wanted all along and you're happy to be overweight and ugly with a little nubbin.