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Car culture in Texas is nowhere near the car culture in CA, not in terms of numbers nor the level of skills/ability/craftmanship among the tuners and manufacturers. SEMA, Greddy, GIAC, HRE, Singers, etc. You name it, it's here in CA.
Wouldn't disagree with any of your points. Texas as a whole isnt really into cars as much as they are into hunting, fishing, sports, and other various recreational hobbies, along with food us a major pass time as you apoke. Additionally California has greater population and amounts of liquidity in income, not same can be said for alot of Texas. Regarding tuning and craftsmanship, I'll disagree. I don't even think the best are US based. For tuning trucks for the big 3, it's New Zealand based tuners that created innovation. That's your field of focus so can't question too heavily, but I feel the best non mainstream shops are spread across the states. Not region specific. California is just an easy port of access for import/ export purposes for access to materials. Without Chinese manufacturing, there is no SEMA.
In 2016 the 911R was a revelation -- because finally Porsche got EPAS right (years before I had been in a 997.2 and went to a 991.1 and wow that was a shock). Back to the 991 911R: that car was special but the engine lacked low-end grunt. Yes, this all just my opinion. The 991.2 Touring was great but the steering didn't carry over from the 911R, it was heavy and a bit numb and frankly, a little disappointing. But the drivetrain was better.
For context I've owned many 911's. The important references here are the 997.2 GT3RS and the 992.1 GT3 (winged and not). The first day with the S/T means no spirited driving, but initial impressions are these:
1. Steering again is a revelation; feels old-school and not nearly as darty as the 992.1 GT3. The planted front-end is what's so much better about the 992 GT3 than any of the past iterations and that carries over here.
2. Suspension is calmer
3. Stubby shifter is more fun
4. Flywheel rattle is nothing compared to the 997.2 GT3RS that made people feel sorry for me at stop lights, but the chatter is reminiscent and made me smile
5. Clutch is much lighter than the 997.2 GT3RS but not noticeably different that the 992.1 GT3
6. Sound is awesome in the cabin and for those going aftermarket it should be amazing
In short, the S/T is pretty much everything that has been said by many others. Will be fun to get past 932 miles. Congrats to everyone getting one.
Interesting you found the 991.2 steering heavy - I feel like it's a fair bit lighter than a hydraulic rack. I was pretty blah about it until I dialed in the alignment. It's definitely better, though still not like a hydraulic.
What's missing with every EPAS car I've driven is that intangible feeling that the steering wheel is directly connected to the wheels, which you get from a high end hydraulic steering system. Sometimes wriggly, sometimes dead flat but constantly feeding back in a natural way. Pretty subtle stuff, to be fair, but it's a mystery to me why that's so hard to reproduce.
What's missing with every EPAS car I've driven is that intangible feeling that the steering wheel is directly connected to the wheels, which you get from a high end hydraulic steering system. Sometimes wriggly, sometimes dead flat but constantly feeding back in a natural way. Pretty subtle stuff, to be fair, but it's a mystery to me why that's so hard to reproduce.
Agree and even now it seems we can never get all the way back to those days.
I’ve even seen the 997.2 GT3 mentioned in the same sentence as the ST.
The 4.0 was even more raw, the regular GT3 didn't have the SMF so that part of the experience doesn't compare. The main thing is we're comparing the S/T in the same breath with the greats of the past 20 years which is saying something.
You are free to google roads in CA. Thousands to choose from.
Originally Posted by Justaroofer
Yep! Super ignorant here! Houston metro area definitely doesn't offer any such experience you're seeking, neither does any California metro area. Can't compare. Neither does Austin, nor is that Hill Country territory.
Just a simple Google search can show the Heart of Texas is far from flat. Nothing like the coasts, but roads you can get real speed on and live a little.
Very similar to so-cal Hills. Consider that your topography class for the day lol.
100%. I've lived here 15 years, the fact is, it's a long drive to find a fun drive.
But as cooler2442 said, why does anyone here keep taking the bait? I pressed ignore on him but his messages pop in all of yours! This isn't a serious enthusiast, this is a troll.
You are free to google roads in CA. Thousands to choose from.
Lol, we don't disagree.
Not sure why you think I'm bashing California roads. I said PCH offered limited engagement options, but was beautiful. Yall obviously have significantly more roads to cruise for sport.
In 2016 the 911R was a revelation -- because finally Porsche got EPAS right (years before I had been in a 997.2 and went to a 991.1 and wow that was a shock). Back to the 991 911R: that car was special but the engine lacked low-end grunt. Yes, this all just my opinion. The 991.2 Touring was great but the steering didn't carry over from the 911R, it was heavy and a bit numb and frankly, a little disappointing. But the drivetrain was better.
For context I've owned many 911's. The important references here are the 997.2 GT3RS and the 992.1 GT3 (winged and not). The first day with the S/T means no spirited driving, but initial impressions are these:
1. Steering again is a revelation; feels old-school and not nearly as darty as the 992.1 GT3. The planted front-end is what's so much better about the 992 GT3 than any of the past iterations and that carries over here.
2. Suspension is calmer
3. Stubby shifter is more fun
4. Flywheel rattle is nothing compared to the 997.2 GT3RS that made people feel sorry for me at stop lights, but the chatter is reminiscent and made me smile
5. Clutch is much lighter than the 997.2 GT3RS but not noticeably different that the 992.1 GT3
6. Sound is awesome in the cabin and for those going aftermarket it should be amazing
In short, the S/T is pretty much everything that has been said by many others. Will be fun to get past 932 miles. Congrats to everyone getting one.
Congrats and thanks for the impressions! Your list is basically everything i'm hoping for. Keep the impressions coming, especially after run in. How is the clutch to modulate in traffic etc? Similar to 992.1 GT3 or less progressive and more on/off? Thanks.
Congrats and thanks for the impressions! Your list is basically everything i'm hoping for. Keep the impressions coming, especially after run in. How is the clutch to modulate in traffic etc? Similar to 992.1 GT3 or less progressive and more on/off? Thanks.
Will do.
Compared to the 992.1 GT3 the S/T clutch seems more progressive with no feeling that it might stall, could be down to the responsiveness of the SMF.
In 2016 the 911R was a revelation -- because finally Porsche got EPAS right (years before I had been in a 997.2 and went to a 991.1 and wow that was a shock). Back to the 991 911R: that car was special but the engine lacked low-end grunt. Yes, this all just my opinion. The 991.2 Touring was great but the steering didn't carry over from the 911R, it was heavy and a bit numb and frankly, a little disappointing. But the drivetrain was better.
For context I've owned many 911's. The important references here are the 997.2 GT3RS and the 992.1 GT3 (winged and not). The first day with the S/T means no spirited driving, but initial impressions are these:
1. Steering again is a revelation; feels old-school and not nearly as darty as the 992.1 GT3. The planted front-end is what's so much better about the 992 GT3 than any of the past iterations and that carries over here.
2. Suspension is calmer
3. Stubby shifter is more fun
4. Flywheel rattle is nothing compared to the 997.2 GT3RS that made people feel sorry for me at stop lights, but the chatter is reminiscent and made me smile
5. Clutch is much lighter than the 997.2 GT3RS but not noticeably different that the 992.1 GT3
6. Sound is awesome in the cabin and for those going aftermarket it should be amazing
In short, the S/T is pretty much everything that has been said by many others. Will be fun to get past 932 miles. Congrats to everyone getting one.
I would have to agree with all that is said. I just hit 900 miles today and can't wait for that 932 to roll around. I was doing a slow break in, 0-300 miles up to 4k rpm then 300-600miles up to 5k rpm 600-932 6k rpm
Not sure if this is the right or wrong way but the manual just says not above 7k rpm.
I have a track day booked this coming Sunday hoping to hit it with 1000miles on the clock and give this car a proper run. (I know it's not track focused). I have tracked all my Porsches (even the sport classic ) and can't wait to compare this one.
06-18-2024, 04:57 PM
) and can't wait to compare this one.